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The existence or not of collusion is independent on whether said collusion was ineffective or unnecessary. The allure of populist retoric is very powerful, and

by euyyn 9y ago

The existence or not of collusion is independent on whether said collusion was ineffective or unnecessary. The allure of populist retoric is very powerful, and this election showed it's a weak spot in the American system.

mc32 9y ago
It's not a weakspot in the system. It's the system reminding politicians not to forget their masses. Even Democrats are looking for ways to get back to their bread and butter blue collar voters[1] (the unionists who went for Trump and Sanders). The Dems (and neocon Reps) forgot about Joe and Jill sixpack and for decades advocated for business elites at the expense of these people. These people have found a voice in populists like Trump and Sanders --they are not going away. It's the 80s with the rusting of American industry but now with a bit of revenge for all the exported jobs and job uncertainty and the advent of "sharing" economy and prominence of the "temp" workforce. Of course, these neoliberal policies had some good, they are responsible for China's rise and bringing modernity and rising living standards as well as more affordable but also more disposable goods (not sure that's a good outcome in the long run --but certainly made some goods more affordable to the now struggling American middle class) It's no secret neocons and Dems were enamored with free trade at the expense of blue collar voters who took stock and saw that their traditional Dem allies had sold them out. [1]https://www.thenation.com/article/what-killed-the-democratic-party/ https://www.thenation.com/article/what-killed-the-democratic...
ben_jones 9y ago
Weak spot? Its the administrative password.
reitanqild 9y ago
> The existence or not of collusion is independent on whether said collusion was ineffective or unnecessary. Am I misreading you or are you effectively saying that non-existent collusion can be as effective as existing collusion? I've read it three times now. (As usual I guess I should point out the sitting POTUS is and was not my preferred choice.)
- euyyn 9y ago
  Nah, I'm rebutting the argument of "the effect of any possible collusion was small, so no collusion existed".

by euyyn 9y ago

mc32 9y ago

It's not a weakspot in the system. It's the system reminding politicians not to forget their masses. Even Democrats are looking for ways to get back to their bread and butter blue collar voters[1] (the unionists who went for Trump and Sanders). The Dems (and neocon Reps) forgot about Joe and Jill sixpack and for decades advocated for business elites at the expense of these people. These people have found a voice in populists like Trump and Sanders --they are not going away. It's the 80s with the rusting of American industry but now with a bit of revenge for all the exported jobs and job uncertainty and the advent of "sharing" economy and prominence of the "temp" workforce. Of course, these neoliberal policies had some good, they are responsible for China's rise and bringing modernity and rising living standards as well as more affordable but also more disposable goods (not sure that's a good outcome in the long run --but certainly made some goods more affordable to the now struggling American middle class) It's no secret neocons and Dems were enamored with free trade at the expense of blue collar voters who took stock and saw that their traditional Dem allies had sold them out. [1]https://www.thenation.com/article/what-killed-the-democratic-party/ https://www.thenation.com/article/what-killed-the-democratic...

ben_jones 9y ago

Weak spot? Its the administrative password.

reitanqild 9y ago

> The existence or not of collusion is independent on whether said collusion was ineffective or unnecessary. Am I misreading you or are you effectively saying that non-existent collusion can be as effective as existing collusion? I've read it three times now. (As usual I guess I should point out the sitting POTUS is and was not my preferred choice.)

euyyn 9y ago
Nah, I'm rebutting the argument of "the effect of any possible collusion was small, so no collusion existed".