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>I'm sure it has happened, but it is vanishingly rare, you citation is about 1 person. Yes. I found a single link to to illustrate that it does happen, not to

>I'm sure it has happened, but it is vanishingly rare, you citation is about 1 person. Yes. I found a single link to to illustrate that it does happen, not to quantify how much it happens. Several people have replied saying that it doesn't happen at all. When I link to sources showing it does they switch to saying it doesn't happen enough to matter. Well, a group in Virginia found that 1852 ballots cast by non-citizen voters between 2011 and 2017. Does that matter? Maybe, maybe not. But it's on the same scale as people who would be inconvenienced to have to procure an ID to satisfy voter ID requirements. Two different surveys have found that ~13% of illegal immigrants from Mexico have registered to vote. Given the impact doing so will have on having their immigration status normalized it doesn't make sense that they would register, but by their own admission they have. Rational or not, it happens. It seems in every election cycle in King County, Washington people mail in ballots of recently deceased relatives. Again, it makes no sense because it's a deeply blue county and one extra ballot isn't going to swing the election. But they do it. >There is literally no evidence that in person voter fraud poses a threat to the integrity of US elections either local or national. It is a red herring. By definition even a single ineligible voter destroys the integrity of an election.

ch4s3 9y ago
> Yes. I found a single link to to illustrate that it does happen A single instance is an anecdote, not data. You should not make policy by anecdote. >Two different surveys have found that ~13% of illegal immigrants from Mexico have registered to vote. Which surveys? By whom? I've never heard that before, and I follow the issue. I'm tempted to call this an outright lie. > It seems in every election cycle in King County, Washington people mail in ballots of recently deceased relatives. Again, that's not in person voter fraud, which doesn't exit as a real problem. That's mail in ballot fraud, which none of the voter suppression laws and purges target. I previously said twice, mail in ballot fraud is the only way voter fraud practically ever happens in the US. You are willfully trying to obscure that fact. > By definition even a single ineligible voter destroys the integrity of an election. No it doesn't. The margin of error on counting votes is at a state wide level is often measured in 1000s of votes. A single fraudulent vote is noise statistically. You are lying and pandering to fear to support draconian and ridiculous voter roll purges. You are presenting weak arguments and no real evidence. You are trading in anecdote and fear.

ch4s3 9y ago

> Yes. I found a single link to to illustrate that it does happen A single instance is an anecdote, not data. You should not make policy by anecdote. >Two different surveys have found that ~13% of illegal immigrants from Mexico have registered to vote. Which surveys? By whom? I've never heard that before, and I follow the issue. I'm tempted to call this an outright lie. > It seems in every election cycle in King County, Washington people mail in ballots of recently deceased relatives. Again, that's not in person voter fraud, which doesn't exit as a real problem. That's mail in ballot fraud, which none of the voter suppression laws and purges target. I previously said twice, mail in ballot fraud is the only way voter fraud practically ever happens in the US. You are willfully trying to obscure that fact. > By definition even a single ineligible voter destroys the integrity of an election. No it doesn't. The margin of error on counting votes is at a state wide level is often measured in 1000s of votes. A single fraudulent vote is noise statistically. You are lying and pandering to fear to support draconian and ridiculous voter roll purges. You are presenting weak arguments and no real evidence. You are trading in anecdote and fear.