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Steve Yegge is an idiot

17 points by bigfaceworm 16y ago

antileet 16y ago
Well, the author clearly understands best practices much, much, better than he understands satire.
mhd 16y ago
“… it’s just that in C++ and the like, you don’t trust anybody, and in CLOS you basically trust everybody. the practical result is that thieves and bums use C++ and nice people use CLOS.”
- dman 16y ago
  :) where is that quoted from ?
  - mhd 16y ago
    Erik Naggum[1], apparently in his "Capital letters are for conformists" phase. Apart from the satire aspect, I think the strictness of enforced contracts is a difference in mindset between Eiffel/C++/Java people and those coming from Lisp and other dynamic languages. [1]: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/07310c842fea847c?dmode=source&output=gplain http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/07310c842f...
    - dman 16y ago
      Thanks for the source.
dkersten 16y ago
If this is a joke too, then.. I don't get it. If not, it looks like its not Steve Yegge who's the idiot.. time for somebody to look in the mirror perhaps?
dman 16y ago
Lets hope the author does not stumble upon http://www.theonion.com http://www.theonion.com
- wlievens 16y ago
  Reminds me of the bengali (I think) newspaper that took the article on Armstrong becoming a moon hoax believer seriously.
jacquesm 16y ago
Anybody that is prepared to use someone else's name in the tile of an article slinging mud at that person should at a minimum pass a reading comprehension test before hitting the 'submit' button.
- credo 16y ago
  I haven't read the case against "private" and "public", but I also think that it is good to support private/public qualifiers. That said, it is unfortunate that the blogger tries to get his point across through a title that gratuitously insults Steve. It is even more sad that these titles turn out to be the best way to capture people's attention. I'm assuming that the post would have gotten a fraction of the page views (and upvotes) if it had used a more reasonable title.
  - dkersten 16y ago
    Well, the point is that Steve didn't actually say anything against "private" and "public", he posted a satire article poking fun at certain things. This guy obviously didn't get the joke and is calling Steve names over it.
- antileet 16y ago
  Thankfully Steve Yegge is popular, and there are enough mentions of him online in a positive light. If such an article mentioning someone's full name in the Title and URL was published about someone less famous - regardless of how baseless the content is - it might be slightly damaging. If you didn't know who Steve Yegge was, and found this article, would you go explore the back-story to make your own judgement, or just assume that he's an idiot, as claimed by the article?
nsfmc 16y ago
whoosh!
sshconnection 16y ago
Wow, I'm glad someone finally cleared up the purpose behind accessibility keywords. Take that, Steve. /s
ax0n 16y ago
The only part worth reading was the first paragraph. Fetid dingo kidneys. Just...wow
- silentbicycle 16y ago
  "fetid dingo's kidneys" is a Douglas Adams-ism. From _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_, IIRC.
JoelPM 16y ago
subtitle: "And I'll gladly take some of his page views."
duck 16y ago
Wait... who's the idiot? And it appears like they are playing it off in the comments like they knew this was a joke? Last time I heard "fetid dingo kidneys" it wasn't a haha sort of thing.
SMrF 16y ago
"Who’s fault is it? Person B can claim that since their code worked with the older version of X, it’s person A’s fault. But person A can claim that module Y should never have depended upon that particular behavior in the first place." So apparently the point of having the private keyword is so you can point the finger at your coworker and say, "You should have made that private!"
- jacquesm 16y ago
  That should work nicely together with the 'blame' option in svn.
dkennedy 16y ago
Its great to see Steve back again. The author of this article is either a) just trying to be funny but is not good at it or b) was declared protected internal static anal at birth. If they ever do add anal as an actual keyword is Java then I will start using it. Seriously though, I always thought Python's approach to encapsulation was a bit weak (my background = Delphi and C#) but after reading all this it's more like having your cake and eating it too.

17 points by bigfaceworm 16y ago

Well, the author clearly understands best practices much, much, better than he understands satire.

mhd 16y ago

“… it’s just that in C++ and the like, you don’t trust anybody, and in CLOS you basically trust everybody. the practical result is that thieves and bums use C++ and nice people use CLOS.”

dman 16y ago
:) where is that quoted from ?
- mhd 16y ago
  Erik Naggum[1], apparently in his "Capital letters are for conformists" phase. Apart from the satire aspect, I think the strictness of enforced contracts is a difference in mindset between Eiffel/C++/Java people and those coming from Lisp and other dynamic languages. [1]: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/07310c842fea847c?dmode=source&output=gplain http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/07310c842f...
  - dman 16y ago
    Thanks for the source.

dkersten 16y ago

If this is a joke too, then.. I don't get it. If not, it looks like its not Steve Yegge who's the idiot.. time for somebody to look in the mirror perhaps?

dman 16y ago

Lets hope the author does not stumble upon http://www.theonion.com http://www.theonion.com

wlievens 16y ago
Reminds me of the bengali (I think) newspaper that took the article on Armstrong becoming a moon hoax believer seriously.

jacquesm 16y ago

Anybody that is prepared to use someone else's name in the tile of an article slinging mud at that person should at a minimum pass a reading comprehension test before hitting the 'submit' button.

credo 16y ago
I haven't read the case against "private" and "public", but I also think that it is good to support private/public qualifiers. That said, it is unfortunate that the blogger tries to get his point across through a title that gratuitously insults Steve. It is even more sad that these titles turn out to be the best way to capture people's attention. I'm assuming that the post would have gotten a fraction of the page views (and upvotes) if it had used a more reasonable title.
- dkersten 16y ago
  Well, the point is that Steve didn't actually say anything against "private" and "public", he posted a satire article poking fun at certain things. This guy obviously didn't get the joke and is calling Steve names over it.
antileet 16y ago
Thankfully Steve Yegge is popular, and there are enough mentions of him online in a positive light. If such an article mentioning someone's full name in the Title and URL was published about someone less famous - regardless of how baseless the content is - it might be slightly damaging. If you didn't know who Steve Yegge was, and found this article, would you go explore the back-story to make your own judgement, or just assume that he's an idiot, as claimed by the article?

nsfmc 16y ago

whoosh!

sshconnection 16y ago

Wow, I'm glad someone finally cleared up the purpose behind accessibility keywords. Take that, Steve. /s

ax0n 16y ago

The only part worth reading was the first paragraph. Fetid dingo kidneys. Just...wow

silentbicycle 16y ago
"fetid dingo's kidneys" is a Douglas Adams-ism. From _The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_, IIRC.

JoelPM 16y ago

subtitle: "And I'll gladly take some of his page views."

duck 16y ago

Wait... who's the idiot? And it appears like they are playing it off in the comments like they knew this was a joke? Last time I heard "fetid dingo kidneys" it wasn't a haha sort of thing.

SMrF 16y ago

"Who’s fault is it? Person B can claim that since their code worked with the older version of X, it’s person A’s fault. But person A can claim that module Y should never have depended upon that particular behavior in the first place." So apparently the point of having the private keyword is so you can point the finger at your coworker and say, "You should have made that private!"

jacquesm 16y ago
That should work nicely together with the 'blame' option in svn.

dkennedy 16y ago

Its great to see Steve back again. The author of this article is either a) just trying to be funny but is not good at it or b) was declared protected internal static anal at birth. If they ever do add anal as an actual keyword is Java then I will start using it. Seriously though, I always thought Python's approach to encapsulation was a bit weak (my background = Delphi and C#) but after reading all this it's more like having your cake and eating it too.