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At this point, I really hate anyone who is still using Chrome. You need to support Firefox and make it a force to recon with.

by rc_bhg 9y ago

smcl 9y ago
I'm using Chrome on my personal laptop running Debian 9 since Firefox is still a minor pain on Debian. The "firefox-esr" package is based on version 52 and it's become usable again (IMO) since 56.0 or so - where I switched on my Windows based work laptop. The alternatives to using firefox-esr are OK but a bit fiddly - extract a tar.gz somewhere and add to PATH or muck around with symlinks, or install via apt using an unsupported third party (Ubuntu) package source. That's my excuse, not great but switching is on my TODO :-)
- kzrdude 9y ago
  Installing it in just a directory works pretty well. It's worth it for Firefox 57 (still beta).
- deleted 9y ago
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- Sylos 9y ago
  Personally, I keep the ESR-package installed, which means the .desktop-file and icon and such continue to be in their correct places, and then I just override the firefox-command via the PATH. So, in steps: 1. Download the tar.bz2 off of Mozilla's webpage. 2. Unpack it into a directory where you want to keep it. Make sure your user has write permissions to that directory, otherwise the auto-updater won't work. 3) In your PATH, place a file with name "firefox" and content: #!/bin/bash /path/to/where/you/unpacked/firefox/firefox "$@" 4) Make that file that you just put into your PATH executable (chmod +x /path/on/your/PATH/firefox). (I'm actually not on Debian, for me it's rather that I replace Firefox Stable with Firefox Nightly, but I don't think this makes a difference.)
kodablah 9y ago
For myself, as up until recently an only-FF user, FF needs to up their embeddability game. Many people are using Chromium outside of Chrome and that number is growing as more and more custom UIs are being built around existing browsers. Some apps are using things like Electron and some are using things like CEF. Servo has a stated goal of embedding via CEF, but it's not here yet. I think if Gecko had an easy to use C API and prebuilt binaries to download to link with your app, you could see an uptick in FF usage. I'm familiar w/ past attempts/work at doing this, but it needs to be real, supported effort. Until then, I remain a Chrome (...er...Chromium) user (of course, I am not representative and maybe the ROI on embedding isn't worth it).
- craftyguy 9y ago
  > Some apps are using things like Electron I aggressively avoid anything using Electron. Nothing says "please hurt me" like running a full web browser instance for every "application."
KozmoNau7 9y ago
I switched back to FF from Chrome a couple of months ago. Since 56 it has become a damn solid choice, and 57 is absolutely top-notch.
- pdimitar 9y ago
  Firefox 57 on Windows 10 still has performance problems. Particular JS-heavy sites like Gmail and ElixirForum for example drag it down to 100% CPU usage (on 2 cores even, not 1!) so while I am glad to use it for a lot of browsing, it's still not quite there for a full-on Chrome replacement. But there definitely is a hope for the future!
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    I'm not seeing those problems on W7, so maybe it's W10-specific?
    - pdimitar 9y ago
      Even if that's true, it doesn't help much you know. W10 is pretty much the one and only official Windows these days. W7 won't live on for much longer. In any case I am convinced are aware and will fix it, so only a matter of time really.
bitmapbrother 9y ago
I hate people who try to impose their personal choices onto other people.
- Sylos 9y ago
  It's not a personal choice, it's a moral choice. You are contributing to making the web a shittier place for me, for everyone by using Chrome. Whether you give a fuck about me being angry at you for that is of course a different story, but there's no question about people being allowed to be angry at you for it.

At this point, I really hate anyone who is still using Chrome. You need to support Firefox and make it a force to recon with.

by rc_bhg 9y ago

At this point, I really hate anyone who is still using Chrome. You need to support Firefox and make it a force to recon with.

smcl 9y ago

I'm using Chrome on my personal laptop running Debian 9 since Firefox is still a minor pain on Debian. The "firefox-esr" package is based on version 52 and it's become usable again (IMO) since 56.0 or so - where I switched on my Windows based work laptop. The alternatives to using firefox-esr are OK but a bit fiddly - extract a tar.gz somewhere and add to PATH or muck around with symlinks, or install via apt using an unsupported third party (Ubuntu) package source. That's my excuse, not great but switching is on my TODO :-)

kzrdude 9y ago
Installing it in just a directory works pretty well. It's worth it for Firefox 57 (still beta).
deleted 9y ago
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Sylos 9y ago
Personally, I keep the ESR-package installed, which means the .desktop-file and icon and such continue to be in their correct places, and then I just override the firefox-command via the PATH. So, in steps: 1. Download the tar.bz2 off of Mozilla's webpage. 2. Unpack it into a directory where you want to keep it. Make sure your user has write permissions to that directory, otherwise the auto-updater won't work. 3) In your PATH, place a file with name "firefox" and content: #!/bin/bash /path/to/where/you/unpacked/firefox/firefox "$@" 4) Make that file that you just put into your PATH executable (chmod +x /path/on/your/PATH/firefox). (I'm actually not on Debian, for me it's rather that I replace Firefox Stable with Firefox Nightly, but I don't think this makes a difference.)

kodablah 9y ago

For myself, as up until recently an only-FF user, FF needs to up their embeddability game. Many people are using Chromium outside of Chrome and that number is growing as more and more custom UIs are being built around existing browsers. Some apps are using things like Electron and some are using things like CEF. Servo has a stated goal of embedding via CEF, but it's not here yet. I think if Gecko had an easy to use C API and prebuilt binaries to download to link with your app, you could see an uptick in FF usage. I'm familiar w/ past attempts/work at doing this, but it needs to be real, supported effort. Until then, I remain a Chrome (...er...Chromium) user (of course, I am not representative and maybe the ROI on embedding isn't worth it).

craftyguy 9y ago
> Some apps are using things like Electron I aggressively avoid anything using Electron. Nothing says "please hurt me" like running a full web browser instance for every "application."

KozmoNau7 9y ago

I switched back to FF from Chrome a couple of months ago. Since 56 it has become a damn solid choice, and 57 is absolutely top-notch.

pdimitar 9y ago
Firefox 57 on Windows 10 still has performance problems. Particular JS-heavy sites like Gmail and ElixirForum for example drag it down to 100% CPU usage (on 2 cores even, not 1!) so while I am glad to use it for a lot of browsing, it's still not quite there for a full-on Chrome replacement. But there definitely is a hope for the future!
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  I'm not seeing those problems on W7, so maybe it's W10-specific?
  - pdimitar 9y ago
    Even if that's true, it doesn't help much you know. W10 is pretty much the one and only official Windows these days. W7 won't live on for much longer. In any case I am convinced are aware and will fix it, so only a matter of time really.

bitmapbrother 9y ago

I hate people who try to impose their personal choices onto other people.

Sylos 9y ago
It's not a personal choice, it's a moral choice. You are contributing to making the web a shittier place for me, for everyone by using Chrome. Whether you give a fuck about me being angry at you for that is of course a different story, but there's no question about people being allowed to be angry at you for it.