> All languages have type systems. Including ES5, ES6 and CoffeeScript. They might be weak and dynamic but they are type systems none the less. I understand; I

> All languages have type systems. Including ES5, ES6 and CoffeeScript. They might be weak and dynamic but they are type systems none the less. I understand; I was speaking colloquially. No need to be pedantic. > My point was (a bit toungue in cheek) that seeing how many alternatives that keep popping up for avoiding JS (the language), it seems that a lot of people who like programming languages to the point where they can create one, do not like JS. Your original post focused on type systems specifically. It seemed something like "type theorists dislike JS, as evidenced by <languages>". This is different than "programmers generally dislike JS, as evidenced by <languages>"; however, to focus on your latter claim, I don't think your claim follows the evidence--the most we can say is that many programmers dislike JS; however, I don't think this is a particularly useful observation, since every domain has many candidate languages, and relatively few domains are trending toward consensus. It seems like the most meaningful conclusion is "programmers have diverse tastes, projects have diverse priorities, and many of those tastes/priorities are mutually exclusive (there are no languages that are good for learning curve and maximizing performance, for example). This conclusion is not necessarily surprising, but I think it's the most interesting claim we can derive from the stated evidence.