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> 1. AMP is a community project, not a Google project. It’s a community project and a Google project. > 2. AMP pages don’t receive preferential treatment in s

> 1. AMP is a community project, not a Google project. It’s a community project and a Google project. > 2. AMP pages don’t receive preferential treatment in search results. They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. AMP pages don’t receive bonus points in the search ranking for being AMP. > 3. AMP pages are hosted on your own domain. They are, but they’re also hosted on Google AMP Cache.

nwellnhof 9y ago
> They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. They also get the AMP icon which users are starting to equate with faster loading times. Another form of preferential treatment.
- recursive 9y ago
  That's not preferential. Users equate it because they've observed it. Speaking strictly as a consumer of the web, I have a strong preference for AMP for a few reasons. It's fast. The page doesn't jump around and lag. There are no popups. It's just a good experience. I know it's possible to have a good experience without AMP technically, but very few sites seem to be doing that.
- SimeVidas 9y ago
  True. I didn’t think of that.
nailer 9y ago
> They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. AMP pages don’t receive bonus points for being AMP. is just rewording this sentence from this article: > the Google Search team were at pains to repeat over and over that AMP pages wouldn’t get any preferential treatment in search results …but they appear in a carousel above the search results.
- SimeVidas 9y ago
  It’s not because I’m saying they do, and Search team is saying they don’t ;)
  - nailer 9y ago
    Read the full quote in the message you're replying to: the article author makes the same point.
- gaius 9y ago
  They're not at the top of the search results, they're above them, is weaselly in the extreme. "Do know evil"
mabbo 9y ago
> They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. AMP pages don’t receive bonus points in the search ranking for being AMP Nobody ever gave a shit whether they were the top search result. They care about being at the top of the page and getting more clicks. The usage of the term "search ranking" presumes that the top search result is at the top of the page. > They are, but they’re also hosted on Google AMP Cache. When I go to one of these pages, my URL says "Google.com" is the domain I'm at. Just to check: how long have you worked at Google?
- SimeVidas 9y ago
  > When I go to one of these pages, my URL says "Google.com" is the domain I'm at. Maybe I wasn’t clear. I was trying to say that AMP pages are hosted and can be accessed from two locations: their original website and Google AMP Cache.
simias 9y ago
You're just restating what TFA says. Those nuances are important, as TFA points out. In partcular: >They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. Yeah I guess that's "it". But when the entire point of search engine optimization is to appear as high as possible in the results that's a pretty massive "it". >They are, but they’re also hosted on Google AMP Cache. So Google AMP Cache is actually Google AMP Host?
- SimeVidas 9y ago
  > Yeah I guess that's "it". But when the entire point of search engine optimization is to appear as high as possible in the results that's a pretty massive "it". I agree, it’s a massive “it.” Poor choice of words from my part. > So Google AMP Cache is actually Google AMP Host? Yes, since the cached pages are accessible via URL.
hnarn 9y ago
>due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it Are you for real? Read your sentence aloud to yourself and realize how ridiculous it sounds. You're basically saying: "They're just at the top of the page because they're in a specific AMP section of the page at the top of the page, but that's it. They don't get bonus points in the search ranking, which affects how high up you are in the search results, which is not on top of the page"
- ramses0 9y ago
  Search for the term: "Display Bias" in the context of Airline GDS's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_distribution_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_distribution_system) ```A global distribution system (GDS) is a network operated by a company that enables automated transactions between travel service providers (mainly airlines, hotels and car rental companies) and travel agencies. Travel agencies traditionally relied on GDS for services, products & rates in order to provision travel-related services to the end consumers. A GDS can link services, rates and bookings consolidating products and services across all three travel sectors: i.e., airline reservations, hotel reservations, car rentals.``` https://www.tnooz.com/article/american-airlines-sues-sabre-over-display-bias-and-booking-fee-increase/ https://www.tnooz.com/article/american-airlines-sues-sabre-o... http://fortune.com/2016/12/21/american-airlines-15-million-antitrust-sabre/ http://fortune.com/2016/12/21/american-airlines-15-million-a... ```The case concerned fees that Sabre and other travel reservation systems collect from airlines to display flights for booking. At trial, Chuck Diamond, a lawyer for American Airlines, contended that Sabre used its power in the industry to “bully” airlines into paying unfair fees and signing unfair contracts that suppress competition and maintain its position. The lawsuit claimed that provisions of a 2011 contract between US Airways and Sabre, including those governing what fares the airline makes available to a computerized network by Sabre used by travel agents, harmed competition. The airline also contended that Sabre conspired with its competitors to not compete with each other for airline content like flight and fare information at the expense of consumers and innovation.``` ...it sounds an awful lot _EXACTLY_ like this topic of discussion. s/gds/search-engine/g s/travel service providers/information service providers/g
- SimeVidas 9y ago
  English isn’t my first language. I didn’t mean to trivialize the carousel by saying “that’s it.” My intention was to clarify that the carousel is the only form of preferential treatment on Search. A big one, yes, but the only one.
endorphone 9y ago
AMP tends to rile up the hornet's nest on here, and is hardly given a fair or intellectually honest discussion. Case in point are the emotional replies you've gotten. For all of the talk about the carousel, it only appears for trending news type events. This is wholly irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of searches, and if anything is purely to keep Google's search a choice for news (where there are a lot of options). Talking about AMP on HN is a bit like talking about Microsoft on Slashdot in the 90s. It isn't an illuminating or rational discussion.
- elsewhen 9y ago
  > it only appears for trending news type events. and you think this is a fixed target? you have full trust in a company that basically lies saying that it doesn't have an impact in search results? i think it is important to keep in mind that google is just a group of people, and the people there right now may be truly well-meaning. but these guys are _already_ lying - do you trust that future google won't turn the knobs after they have basically tricked much of the web to comply?
  - endorphone 9y ago
    you have full trust in a company This is a strawman. AMP requires zero trust in Google. That has nothing to do with the argument. Right now I am not particularly concerned by AMP. I think it's a benefit for a large class of users, and avoids the web tragedy of the commons. It's also open to use by any other party (Bing, for instance, has started processing and caching AMP). I would prefer a fully open, cross-industry "lite web" filling the same need, but everyone seems too focused on FUD about Google than rationally discussing the topic.

nwellnhof 9y ago

> They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. They also get the AMP icon which users are starting to equate with faster loading times. Another form of preferential treatment.

recursive 9y ago
That's not preferential. Users equate it because they've observed it. Speaking strictly as a consumer of the web, I have a strong preference for AMP for a few reasons. It's fast. The page doesn't jump around and lag. There are no popups. It's just a good experience. I know it's possible to have a good experience without AMP technically, but very few sites seem to be doing that.
SimeVidas 9y ago
True. I didn’t think of that.

nailer 9y ago

> They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. AMP pages don’t receive bonus points for being AMP. is just rewording this sentence from this article: > the Google Search team were at pains to repeat over and over that AMP pages wouldn’t get any preferential treatment in search results …but they appear in a carousel above the search results.

SimeVidas 9y ago
It’s not because I’m saying they do, and Search team is saying they don’t ;)
- nailer 9y ago
  Read the full quote in the message you're replying to: the article author makes the same point.
gaius 9y ago
They're not at the top of the search results, they're above them, is weaselly in the extreme. "Do know evil"

mabbo 9y ago

> They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. AMP pages don’t receive bonus points in the search ranking for being AMP Nobody ever gave a shit whether they were the top search result. They care about being at the top of the page and getting more clicks. The usage of the term "search ranking" presumes that the top search result is at the top of the page. > They are, but they’re also hosted on Google AMP Cache. When I go to one of these pages, my URL says "Google.com" is the domain I'm at. Just to check: how long have you worked at Google?

SimeVidas 9y ago
> When I go to one of these pages, my URL says "Google.com" is the domain I'm at. Maybe I wasn’t clear. I was trying to say that AMP pages are hosted and can be accessed from two locations: their original website and Google AMP Cache.

simias 9y ago

You're just restating what TFA says. Those nuances are important, as TFA points out. In partcular: >They do due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it. Yeah I guess that's "it". But when the entire point of search engine optimization is to appear as high as possible in the results that's a pretty massive "it". >They are, but they’re also hosted on Google AMP Cache. So Google AMP Cache is actually Google AMP Host?

SimeVidas 9y ago
> Yeah I guess that's "it". But when the entire point of search engine optimization is to appear as high as possible in the results that's a pretty massive "it". I agree, it’s a massive “it.” Poor choice of words from my part. > So Google AMP Cache is actually Google AMP Host? Yes, since the cached pages are accessible via URL.

hnarn 9y ago

>due to the AMP carousel at the top, but that’s it Are you for real? Read your sentence aloud to yourself and realize how ridiculous it sounds. You're basically saying: "They're just at the top of the page because they're in a specific AMP section of the page at the top of the page, but that's it. They don't get bonus points in the search ranking, which affects how high up you are in the search results, which is not on top of the page"

ramses0 9y ago
Search for the term: "Display Bias" in the context of Airline GDS's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_distribution_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_distribution_system) ```A global distribution system (GDS) is a network operated by a company that enables automated transactions between travel service providers (mainly airlines, hotels and car rental companies) and travel agencies. Travel agencies traditionally relied on GDS for services, products & rates in order to provision travel-related services to the end consumers. A GDS can link services, rates and bookings consolidating products and services across all three travel sectors: i.e., airline reservations, hotel reservations, car rentals.``` https://www.tnooz.com/article/american-airlines-sues-sabre-over-display-bias-and-booking-fee-increase/ https://www.tnooz.com/article/american-airlines-sues-sabre-o... http://fortune.com/2016/12/21/american-airlines-15-million-antitrust-sabre/ http://fortune.com/2016/12/21/american-airlines-15-million-a... ```The case concerned fees that Sabre and other travel reservation systems collect from airlines to display flights for booking. At trial, Chuck Diamond, a lawyer for American Airlines, contended that Sabre used its power in the industry to “bully” airlines into paying unfair fees and signing unfair contracts that suppress competition and maintain its position. The lawsuit claimed that provisions of a 2011 contract between US Airways and Sabre, including those governing what fares the airline makes available to a computerized network by Sabre used by travel agents, harmed competition. The airline also contended that Sabre conspired with its competitors to not compete with each other for airline content like flight and fare information at the expense of consumers and innovation.``` ...it sounds an awful lot _EXACTLY_ like this topic of discussion. s/gds/search-engine/g s/travel service providers/information service providers/g
SimeVidas 9y ago
English isn’t my first language. I didn’t mean to trivialize the carousel by saying “that’s it.” My intention was to clarify that the carousel is the only form of preferential treatment on Search. A big one, yes, but the only one.

endorphone 9y ago

AMP tends to rile up the hornet's nest on here, and is hardly given a fair or intellectually honest discussion. Case in point are the emotional replies you've gotten. For all of the talk about the carousel, it only appears for trending news type events. This is wholly irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of searches, and if anything is purely to keep Google's search a choice for news (where there are a lot of options). Talking about AMP on HN is a bit like talking about Microsoft on Slashdot in the 90s. It isn't an illuminating or rational discussion.

elsewhen 9y ago
> it only appears for trending news type events. and you think this is a fixed target? you have full trust in a company that basically lies saying that it doesn't have an impact in search results? i think it is important to keep in mind that google is just a group of people, and the people there right now may be truly well-meaning. but these guys are _already_ lying - do you trust that future google won't turn the knobs after they have basically tricked much of the web to comply?
- endorphone 9y ago
  you have full trust in a company This is a strawman. AMP requires zero trust in Google. That has nothing to do with the argument. Right now I am not particularly concerned by AMP. I think it's a benefit for a large class of users, and avoids the web tragedy of the commons. It's also open to use by any other party (Bing, for instance, has started processing and caching AMP). I would prefer a fully open, cross-industry "lite web" filling the same need, but everyone seems too focused on FUD about Google than rationally discussing the topic.