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It's a list of facts. You don't need a "mountain of salt" to take a list of simple, easy to check facts. > you get this kind of "My programming language and co

It's a list of facts. You don't need a "mountain of salt" to take a list of simple, easy to check facts. > you get this kind of "My programming language and community are already wonderfully perfect and kick more goals than there are nets to kick into" It doesn't say how wonderful Rust is, it says how many contributions it had, how many users on gitter, etc. You can interpret that like you want, but that's just your interpretation.

blub 9y ago
It's guerilla marketing where one person's fact is another's spin: the Amazon job requiring in-depth domain knowledge and leadership skills mentions rich Java or C++ experience as desirable while also requiring familiarity with Python or Rust. The resulting fact is then "Amazon is hiring for developers with Rust experience.". If a candidate checks the other boxes they'd probably hire them if they knew VisualBasic... :) Personally I don't like this forceful advertising stuff unless maaybe it's for a really good social cause which is otherwise ignored. e.g: privacy
- moron4hire 9y ago
  How is it forceful? It's a link on a link board site. It said it was about Rust in the title. If you don't care about promotion of Rust, you should probably have not read the article. This attitude pisses me off because advertising is a necessary task in all projects. It doesn't matter if it's commercial or completely free, volunteer-built open source software. You need to advertise the project to ensure enough people know about it to achieve a lasting, critical mass of users and developers. But this attitude establishes a norm of resentment towards project maintainers who are just trying to do well by their projects and their users. I think young people pick up on this and it makes them reluctant to promote their own projects. I have no use for "know your place"isms.
kjs3 9y ago
It doesn't say how wonderful Rust is Except that's exactly what it's trying to say. It's a list of facts. Let's take one: "In the last ~3 months, 36 RFCs were merged." What does that even mean? How does that relate Rust to any other language? Do I really have to do all the homework on what an 'RFC' really is in this context, whether 36 is a lot, and if 3 months is fast? Sure, it's a 'fact', but it's a fact devoid of context tossed out with a giant pile of similarly context-free facts. In order to make Rust seem like it's wonderful. To people who evaluate such things uncritically. Congrats if that's what you want to attract.

blub 9y ago

It's guerilla marketing where one person's fact is another's spin: the Amazon job requiring in-depth domain knowledge and leadership skills mentions rich Java or C++ experience as desirable while also requiring familiarity with Python or Rust. The resulting fact is then "Amazon is hiring for developers with Rust experience.". If a candidate checks the other boxes they'd probably hire them if they knew VisualBasic... :) Personally I don't like this forceful advertising stuff unless maaybe it's for a really good social cause which is otherwise ignored. e.g: privacy

moron4hire 9y ago
How is it forceful? It's a link on a link board site. It said it was about Rust in the title. If you don't care about promotion of Rust, you should probably have not read the article. This attitude pisses me off because advertising is a necessary task in all projects. It doesn't matter if it's commercial or completely free, volunteer-built open source software. You need to advertise the project to ensure enough people know about it to achieve a lasting, critical mass of users and developers. But this attitude establishes a norm of resentment towards project maintainers who are just trying to do well by their projects and their users. I think young people pick up on this and it makes them reluctant to promote their own projects. I have no use for "know your place"isms.

kjs3 9y ago

It doesn't say how wonderful Rust is Except that's exactly what it's trying to say. It's a list of facts. Let's take one: "In the last ~3 months, 36 RFCs were merged." What does that even mean? How does that relate Rust to any other language? Do I really have to do all the homework on what an 'RFC' really is in this context, whether 36 is a lot, and if 3 months is fast? Sure, it's a 'fact', but it's a fact devoid of context tossed out with a giant pile of similarly context-free facts. In order to make Rust seem like it's wonderful. To people who evaluate such things uncritically. Congrats if that's what you want to attract.