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I really really wonder if the results of this survey are accurate. It doesn't gel well with Apple's YoY record profits over the last 15 years. Having used many

I really really wonder if the results of this survey are accurate. It doesn't gel well with Apple's YoY record profits over the last 15 years. Having used many windows computers and Macs. And used an Android phone and iPhones. I feel you get what you pay for with Apple products. They may seem expensive at first, but they last a lot longer. No viruses. Premium build. Solid privacy guarantee etc etc.

wutbrodo 9y ago
> I really really wonder if the results of this survey are accurate. It doesn't gel well with Apple's YoY record profits over the last 15 years. This doesn't make any sense. "Popularity" in the sense being discussed here (i.e. passion and trust) isn't that tightly bound to profits. Comcast and Goldman Sachs have great Y/Y profits too, I'm sure (and if not them, I'm sure you could find other unpopular companies or different time periods in which this was true). I wasn't under the impression that Apple _ever_ had all that much passion from the average consumer. The very fact that they target only the high-end of the market[1] means that a big chunk of the market is or has been locked out of buying their products. Even if they made the best products, it's hard to feel much passion for a product that is priced beyond your reach. The fanboy reputation came from a lot of passion among the userbase that they did have, but that doesn't affect the trust level across the entire consumer population that much. As far as trust, this isn't even remotely surprising to me. Apple is probably the single most anti-user tech company I can think of (with the possible exception of Facebook, and I'm sure Microsoft would love to be if they still had the market power). This isn't 100% completely a bad thing, since trampling over users sometimes allows you to move more quickly; this is the path Google has been taking from their earlier chaotic product map to the years since that famous conversation between Larry Page and Steve Jobs. It's no surprise that Google's popularity has declined since that time (along with the exogenous effect of gov't spying on them damaging their popularity), and it's no surprise that Amazon, which is famously pro-user, ranks so high. [1] Until they started their old-model sales programs, but they still haven't reached as far downmarket as e.g. Android, whose whole point was universal reach.
jchristian- 9y ago
> They may seem expensive at first, but they last a lot longer. No viruses. Premium build. Solid privacy guarantee etc etc. Poor ignorant fanboy, no one is talking about price here! > No viruses Enjoy, https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/p.... If there are vulnerabilities, there will be someone/something exploring them. > Premium build You don't visit Apple forums and/or Apple support at the stores, right? If you visited you would see the gigantic mass of people with issues regarding the phone build. There's nothing premium regarding Apple build, just the price. Also, just as a reminder, the amazing screen that everyone worship is from SAMSUNG... > Solid privacy guarantee Company A says they are saints, well, better trust company A... > etc etc. Wow, there must be a LOT of other good things regarding Apple for you to put not just one, but TWO "etc", hahahahaha.
timthelion 9y ago
The profits are not a good measure of trust in the overall population. Only 34% [1] of US cellphones sold are iPhones, and in the rest of the world their market share is rock bottom ~15% [2]. Those profits come from a tiny number of people paying a lot of money, not from a lot of people loving them. [1] https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/09/us-iphone-sales-ios-market-share-kantar/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/09/us-iphone-sales-ios-market-sh... [2] https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
jacksmith21006 9y ago
Apple profits actually peeked in 2015 but also not exactly sure what that has to do with trust? Here is Apple earnings over the last couple of years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/267728/apples-net-income-since-2005/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/267728/apples-net-income... • Apple: net income by year 2005-2016 | Statista Apple 2017 FY has already ended and will report in a couple of days but the most bullish estimates have 2017 results falling short of 2015. If you look at FCF for Apple you can see the decline is more surprising. https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/free_cash_flow https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/free_cash_flow Apple Free Cash Flow (Quarterly) (AAPL) - YCharts Luckily share price has been strong during this decline.

wutbrodo 9y ago

> I really really wonder if the results of this survey are accurate. It doesn't gel well with Apple's YoY record profits over the last 15 years. This doesn't make any sense. "Popularity" in the sense being discussed here (i.e. passion and trust) isn't that tightly bound to profits. Comcast and Goldman Sachs have great Y/Y profits too, I'm sure (and if not them, I'm sure you could find other unpopular companies or different time periods in which this was true). I wasn't under the impression that Apple _ever_ had all that much passion from the average consumer. The very fact that they target only the high-end of the market[1] means that a big chunk of the market is or has been locked out of buying their products. Even if they made the best products, it's hard to feel much passion for a product that is priced beyond your reach. The fanboy reputation came from a lot of passion among the userbase that they did have, but that doesn't affect the trust level across the entire consumer population that much. As far as trust, this isn't even remotely surprising to me. Apple is probably the single most anti-user tech company I can think of (with the possible exception of Facebook, and I'm sure Microsoft would love to be if they still had the market power). This isn't 100% completely a bad thing, since trampling over users sometimes allows you to move more quickly; this is the path Google has been taking from their earlier chaotic product map to the years since that famous conversation between Larry Page and Steve Jobs. It's no surprise that Google's popularity has declined since that time (along with the exogenous effect of gov't spying on them damaging their popularity), and it's no surprise that Amazon, which is famously pro-user, ranks so high. [1] Until they started their old-model sales programs, but they still haven't reached as far downmarket as e.g. Android, whose whole point was universal reach.

jchristian- 9y ago

> They may seem expensive at first, but they last a lot longer. No viruses. Premium build. Solid privacy guarantee etc etc. Poor ignorant fanboy, no one is talking about price here! > No viruses Enjoy, https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/p.... If there are vulnerabilities, there will be someone/something exploring them. > Premium build You don't visit Apple forums and/or Apple support at the stores, right? If you visited you would see the gigantic mass of people with issues regarding the phone build. There's nothing premium regarding Apple build, just the price. Also, just as a reminder, the amazing screen that everyone worship is from SAMSUNG... > Solid privacy guarantee Company A says they are saints, well, better trust company A... > etc etc. Wow, there must be a LOT of other good things regarding Apple for you to put not just one, but TWO "etc", hahahahaha.

timthelion 9y ago

The profits are not a good measure of trust in the overall population. Only 34% [1] of US cellphones sold are iPhones, and in the rest of the world their market share is rock bottom ~15% [2]. Those profits come from a tiny number of people paying a lot of money, not from a lot of people loving them. [1] https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/09/us-iphone-sales-ios-market-share-kantar/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/09/us-iphone-sales-ios-market-sh... [2] https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os

jacksmith21006 9y ago

Apple profits actually peeked in 2015 but also not exactly sure what that has to do with trust? Here is Apple earnings over the last couple of years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/267728/apples-net-income-since-2005/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/267728/apples-net-income... • Apple: net income by year 2005-2016 | Statista Apple 2017 FY has already ended and will report in a couple of days but the most bullish estimates have 2017 results falling short of 2015. If you look at FCF for Apple you can see the decline is more surprising. https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/free_cash_flow https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/free_cash_flow Apple Free Cash Flow (Quarterly) (AAPL) - YCharts Luckily share price has been strong during this decline.