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is this it? http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm

by zyang 16y ago

kabuks 16y ago
Yes! How did you find it?
- jaxn 16y ago
  No time like the present. Why not make this the front page and launch right now?
- mbateman 16y ago
  FYI, the columns on that page run into and obscure each other when you shrink the browser size (in Safari 5). This starts to happen well before 1000 pixels.
- misterbwong 16y ago
  tbh, the project looks good enough to be launched. throw up a landing page NOW and take advantage of being on the front page :)
- moultano 16y ago
  I made an account, and logged in, but I still see the default set of stuff. Is that expected?
  - kabuks 16y ago
    Nope. Try again. There should be link to create a workstream.
- gilesc 16y ago
  This is cool! I've was looking for something like this earlier in the week. Obviously this isn't the place for filing bugs, but after signing up, http://rm.bettermeans.com/my/account http://rm.bettermeans.com/my/account is a broken link for me? Which kind of makes it hard to try my hand at a demo project.
  - kabuks 16y ago
    Thanks. Just fixed it.
    - gilesc 16y ago
      Nice! Other comments: -As someone else posted on the site, attempts to create a new workstream meet with a 403/not authorized despite being logged in. -It may just be a placeholder, but the "Browse all enterprises" and "Browse all workstreams" seems to be an unwieldly way to discover new enterprises/workstreams, since after the launch is well underway, that list will explode in volume. The search box is nice to find enterprises you already know about, but really what's needed to make it easier to find new enterprises (IMO) is some way to hierarchically categorize or tag your organization. And also those "Browse all..." type pages should definitely be paginated; they're way too long already.
      - kabuks 16y ago
        - 403 is fixed. Yikes - Totally agree, it's a placeholder for now. We'll need a much better find and browse functionality.
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DanielRibeiro 16y ago
Interesting. Looks a bit like pivotal tracker. See for yourself: http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/482# http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/482# http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm/dashboard http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm/dashboard
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- jaxn 16y ago
  Giving the benefit of the doubt I would suspect that comes from using some sort of javascript library and one of the published themes.
- canterburry 16y ago
  Yeah...serious ripoff!
- davewasthere 16y ago
  That was my initial take too. I love pivotaltracker and don't particularly like to see it ripped off. That said, it's an amazingly functional interface. But I'm hoping some degree of permission was obtained first.
- jtheory 16y ago
  Well, there's that one background image ("dropzone_repeating_pattern.png" in both; I'm not sure of the original source for this image). But otherwise it seems like a sort of standard JS-GUI interface, and not all that much exact overlap in functionality beyond commonalities you'd see in anything that tracks tasks through stages. FWIW, it looks like BetterMeans is using JQuery-UI and PivotalTracker is using YUI, and I don't notice any commonalities in their source with a quick review... so it may well just be mostly that bg image (which they may have both gotten from a common & free source). Dunno if you see a smoking gun somewhere, but I haven't thus far.
msy 16y ago
Er...are all your internal documents and planning, price plans etc meant to be public? http://rm.bettermeans.com/attachments/51/Pricing_page.pdf http://rm.bettermeans.com/attachments/51/Pricing_page.pdf via http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/48 http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/48 Credit if you really plan to run things that openly otherwise you really should be taking things down ASAFP.
- kabuks 16y ago
  Yep, it's all open. Not just for people to see, but for people to join us and make it better.
  - msy 16y ago
    Wow. I'm not sure whether that's brilliant or insane but I wish you the best and will watch with interest.
    - kabuks 16y ago
      Can you elaborate? what disadvantages do you see in running this way?
      - msy 16y ago
        No major ones. Until something goes wrong and every deliberation and discussion about how to respond is dissected and quoted without context in public. I mean are you going to do everything in public? Hiring and firing decisions? Whether to sue someone who screws you over somehow? Whether to change hosting suppliers? As I write this I'm arguing with myself about the power and value of genuine transparency, it's something I believe in deeply but done asymmetrically, as you are doing verses your competitors or as our governments are doing verses the private sector does provide a huge soft underbelly for easy attack.
        kabuks 16y ago
        I agree about the huge soft underbelly. It definitely feels exposed and vulnerable to write everything in the sky. But after a while you get used to it. It keeps us honest (well more honest), and fair, and hopefully encourages more and more people to join. What we lose by the competition reading our every move, we gain by having a large, engaged team. I don't think it's for everyone, and there's definitely a place for stealth, privacy...etc. But I do think that businesses can afford to be a LOT more transparent than they are today. Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our face.

is this it? http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm

by zyang 16y ago

is this it? http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm

kabuks 16y ago

Yes! How did you find it?

jaxn 16y ago
No time like the present. Why not make this the front page and launch right now?
mbateman 16y ago
FYI, the columns on that page run into and obscure each other when you shrink the browser size (in Safari 5). This starts to happen well before 1000 pixels.
misterbwong 16y ago
tbh, the project looks good enough to be launched. throw up a landing page NOW and take advantage of being on the front page :)
moultano 16y ago
I made an account, and logged in, but I still see the default set of stuff. Is that expected?
- kabuks 16y ago
  Nope. Try again. There should be link to create a workstream.
gilesc 16y ago
This is cool! I've was looking for something like this earlier in the week. Obviously this isn't the place for filing bugs, but after signing up, http://rm.bettermeans.com/my/account http://rm.bettermeans.com/my/account is a broken link for me? Which kind of makes it hard to try my hand at a demo project.
- kabuks 16y ago
  Thanks. Just fixed it.
  - gilesc 16y ago
    Nice! Other comments: -As someone else posted on the site, attempts to create a new workstream meet with a 403/not authorized despite being logged in. -It may just be a placeholder, but the "Browse all enterprises" and "Browse all workstreams" seems to be an unwieldly way to discover new enterprises/workstreams, since after the launch is well underway, that list will explode in volume. The search box is nice to find enterprises you already know about, but really what's needed to make it easier to find new enterprises (IMO) is some way to hierarchically categorize or tag your organization. And also those "Browse all..." type pages should definitely be paginated; they're way too long already.
    - kabuks 16y ago
      - 403 is fixed. Yikes - Totally agree, it's a placeholder for now. We'll need a much better find and browse functionality.

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DanielRibeiro 16y ago

Interesting. Looks a bit like pivotal tracker. See for yourself: http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/482# http://www.pivotaltracker.com/projects/482# http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm/dashboard http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/bm/dashboard

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jaxn 16y ago
Giving the benefit of the doubt I would suspect that comes from using some sort of javascript library and one of the published themes.
canterburry 16y ago
Yeah...serious ripoff!
davewasthere 16y ago
That was my initial take too. I love pivotaltracker and don't particularly like to see it ripped off. That said, it's an amazingly functional interface. But I'm hoping some degree of permission was obtained first.
jtheory 16y ago
Well, there's that one background image ("dropzone_repeating_pattern.png" in both; I'm not sure of the original source for this image). But otherwise it seems like a sort of standard JS-GUI interface, and not all that much exact overlap in functionality beyond commonalities you'd see in anything that tracks tasks through stages. FWIW, it looks like BetterMeans is using JQuery-UI and PivotalTracker is using YUI, and I don't notice any commonalities in their source with a quick review... so it may well just be mostly that bg image (which they may have both gotten from a common & free source). Dunno if you see a smoking gun somewhere, but I haven't thus far.

msy 16y ago

Er...are all your internal documents and planning, price plans etc meant to be public? http://rm.bettermeans.com/attachments/51/Pricing_page.pdf http://rm.bettermeans.com/attachments/51/Pricing_page.pdf via http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/48 http://rm.bettermeans.com/projects/48 Credit if you really plan to run things that openly otherwise you really should be taking things down ASAFP.

kabuks 16y ago
Yep, it's all open. Not just for people to see, but for people to join us and make it better.
- msy 16y ago
  Wow. I'm not sure whether that's brilliant or insane but I wish you the best and will watch with interest.
  - kabuks 16y ago
    Can you elaborate? what disadvantages do you see in running this way?
    - msy 16y ago
      No major ones. Until something goes wrong and every deliberation and discussion about how to respond is dissected and quoted without context in public. I mean are you going to do everything in public? Hiring and firing decisions? Whether to sue someone who screws you over somehow? Whether to change hosting suppliers? As I write this I'm arguing with myself about the power and value of genuine transparency, it's something I believe in deeply but done asymmetrically, as you are doing verses your competitors or as our governments are doing verses the private sector does provide a huge soft underbelly for easy attack.
      - kabuks 16y ago
        I agree about the huge soft underbelly. It definitely feels exposed and vulnerable to write everything in the sky. But after a while you get used to it. It keeps us honest (well more honest), and fair, and hopefully encourages more and more people to join. What we lose by the competition reading our every move, we gain by having a large, engaged team. I don't think it's for everyone, and there's definitely a place for stealth, privacy...etc. But I do think that businesses can afford to be a LOT more transparent than they are today. Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our face.