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You do realize that there is no difference in the result whether you start with high prices and then selectively make some services cheaper or you start with lo

You do realize that there is no difference in the result whether you start with high prices and then selectively make some services cheaper or you start with low prices and then selectively make everything else more expensive, right?

BoorishBears 9y ago
Where have the prices been shown to rise? US carriers didn’t raise prices when they introduced their “soft” zero rating on video traffic. My point is everyone is jumping to the worst conclusions instead of objectively considering the situation around what ISPs are doing without net neutrality laws. Not supporting blanket pro net neutrality talk != supporting an unregulated lawless Wild West of ISPs but everyone acts like it is (see how quickly my comment was buried before anyone even responded)
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
  > Where have the prices been shown to rise? You do realize that the result is the same, whether you first reduce your prices as costs decrease and then raise them again, or just don't bother reducing them in the first place, right? > US carriers didn’t raise prices when they introduced their “soft” zero rating on video traffic. So, are you saying that moving around the video traffic doesn't cost them anything? Or how else are they paying for that, if not by keeping the price for other traffic artificially high?
  - BoorishBears 9y ago
    It cost them less, you get downgraded to lower res streams and in exchange they don’t limit how much you can view. And the idea is they have a choice, raise base prices, or add packages. It’s not add packages or don’t.
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
      Nothing wrong with packages. Just everything wrong with packages for particular services. The solution is really simple: Offer packages of traffic. If people need 10 GB/month for low-res video streaming, then sell 10 GB/month for 5 EUR.
rnhmjoj 9y ago
Reading the articles it seems this ISP is forcing you to buy a package of services to get any internet access at all; this is terrifying. Optional zero-rating is bad but not much worse than internet with a stupidly low data-cap already is, even if the net result may be the same.
- BoorishBears 9y ago
  That’s not true, this image has made at rounds already, multiple first hand users confirmed this is a set of options to save on top of a base package.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    That depends on the base package, if you get a pre-paid plan you don't get any included Internet service. You can still access the regular Internet, but it debits 2€ for any day you use it, and only gives you 60MB for that day. To use more you must purchase some extra package.

BoorishBears 9y ago

Where have the prices been shown to rise? US carriers didn’t raise prices when they introduced their “soft” zero rating on video traffic. My point is everyone is jumping to the worst conclusions instead of objectively considering the situation around what ISPs are doing without net neutrality laws. Not supporting blanket pro net neutrality talk != supporting an unregulated lawless Wild West of ISPs but everyone acts like it is (see how quickly my comment was buried before anyone even responded)

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
> Where have the prices been shown to rise? You do realize that the result is the same, whether you first reduce your prices as costs decrease and then raise them again, or just don't bother reducing them in the first place, right? > US carriers didn’t raise prices when they introduced their “soft” zero rating on video traffic. So, are you saying that moving around the video traffic doesn't cost them anything? Or how else are they paying for that, if not by keeping the price for other traffic artificially high?
- BoorishBears 9y ago
  It cost them less, you get downgraded to lower res streams and in exchange they don’t limit how much you can view. And the idea is they have a choice, raise base prices, or add packages. It’s not add packages or don’t.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
    Nothing wrong with packages. Just everything wrong with packages for particular services. The solution is really simple: Offer packages of traffic. If people need 10 GB/month for low-res video streaming, then sell 10 GB/month for 5 EUR.

rnhmjoj 9y ago

Reading the articles it seems this ISP is forcing you to buy a package of services to get any internet access at all; this is terrifying. Optional zero-rating is bad but not much worse than internet with a stupidly low data-cap already is, even if the net result may be the same.

BoorishBears 9y ago
That’s not true, this image has made at rounds already, multiple first hand users confirmed this is a set of options to save on top of a base package.
- icebraining 9y ago
  That depends on the base package, if you get a pre-paid plan you don't get any included Internet service. You can still access the regular Internet, but it debits 2€ for any day you use it, and only gives you 60MB for that day. To use more you must purchase some extra package.