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Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

276 points by Moru 9y ago

Overtonwindow 9y ago
If you enjoyed this, you might also enjoy the book "No Place to Hide" by Robert O'Harrow (2004!), which explores the surveillance state at the intersection of private coronations. Many of the ideas and topics discussed in the book, at the time sounding more like conspiracy theories, have come true. https://www.amazon.com/Place-Hide-Robert-OHarrow-Jr/dp/0743287053 https://www.amazon.com/Place-Hide-Robert-OHarrow-Jr/dp/07432...
- Legogris 9y ago
  Another relevant read is "No Place to Hide" (!) by Glenn Greenwald, the journalist working on the Snowden file disclosures: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18213403-no-place-to-hide https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18213403-no-place-to-hid...
- fudgepack99 9y ago
  It's total class war of the rich vs the rest, sorry to tell ya. Hear it from Zbigniew brezinksi, former national security advisor of the united states. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY
  - jernejzen 9y ago
    I am pretty sure that good ole Zbig is more of a part of the problem than the solution ;)
- rangersanger 9y ago
  A non-amzazon link to the poster's excellent recommendation https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70078.No_Place_to_Hide https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70078.No_Place_to_Hide [edit: punctuation]
thewisenerd 9y ago
website - https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com torrents - http://nothingtohide.aquilenet.fr http://nothingtohide.aquilenet.fr kickstarter - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1587081065/nothing-to-hide-the-documentary https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1587081065/nothing-to-h...
miguelrochefort 9y ago
We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?
- jasonkostempski 9y ago
  That might work if no one was allowed to punish anyone for doing something simply because they consider it wrong. I don't want you, or anyone else, making that decision for me. Privacy is more about protection from people with power than it is for protection from direct harm.
- krick 9y ago
  Well, don't, if you wish so. I personally don't mind people walking naked on the street, jumping from the roofs, putting their fingers into meat grinder. But don't ask me to do any of these things.
- mirimir 9y ago
  The powerful ought to be have no privacy, because with power there's the need for public oversight. Ditto for corporations, government, and so on. And conversely, the weak ought to have total privacy, because they're so vulnerable. In reality, we have pretty much the opposite. Because wealth and power protect themselves. So it goes.
  - paulryanrogers 9y ago
    Perhaps the powerful should have less professional privacy. But personal privacy is not far from dignity for many. So let's not make their personal lives any more of an industry than it already is. Still, the idea that the weak should have more privacy sounds about right.
    - mirimir 9y ago
      I get what you say about personal privacy. But with extreme power, there's not much that's legitimately private. Consider what people must reveal to get the highest security ratings, for example.
raamdev 9y ago
On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but everyone also understands that you have a right to your privacy in there and they don't expect you to leave the door open (unless, of course, that's your thing).
- jasonkostempski 9y ago
  But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.
  - singold 9y ago
    But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that
    - mirimir 9y ago
      Right. Also, my wife and I have a little game of sharing about public restrooms that we encounter. Generally, the men's rooms are far more trashed than the women's rooms. But how many establishments have surveillance cameras in their men's rooms? Not many, I suspect.
      - mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
        Doesn't anyone want to spy on my junk?!
        mirimir 9y ago
        Mostly, I'd think that they'd want to nail the guys who break toilets and urinals. I mean, how to they do that? Those things are solid porcelain, no? Hammers? But maybe they're more fragile than they used to be.
softwarelimits 9y ago
"Follow NOTHING TO HIDE on facebook" ...sigh https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com/ https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com/
- gkya 9y ago
  :) I find it really hard to follow news from movies because often they use things like Squarespace and Wix, and these motherf^W^W^W^W^W^Wsaints never have any feeds. You have a mailing list to follow if you're lucky, and usually the only other medium is the Facebook page.

276 points by Moru 9y ago

If you enjoyed this, you might also enjoy the book "No Place to Hide" by Robert O'Harrow (2004!), which explores the surveillance state at the intersection of private coronations. Many of the ideas and topics discussed in the book, at the time sounding more like conspiracy theories, have come true. https://www.amazon.com/Place-Hide-Robert-OHarrow-Jr/dp/0743287053 https://www.amazon.com/Place-Hide-Robert-OHarrow-Jr/dp/07432...

Legogris 9y ago
Another relevant read is "No Place to Hide" (!) by Glenn Greenwald, the journalist working on the Snowden file disclosures: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18213403-no-place-to-hide https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18213403-no-place-to-hid...
fudgepack99 9y ago
It's total class war of the rich vs the rest, sorry to tell ya. Hear it from Zbigniew brezinksi, former national security advisor of the united states. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ZyJw_cHJY
- jernejzen 9y ago
  I am pretty sure that good ole Zbig is more of a part of the problem than the solution ;)
rangersanger 9y ago
A non-amzazon link to the poster's excellent recommendation https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70078.No_Place_to_Hide https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70078.No_Place_to_Hide [edit: punctuation]

thewisenerd 9y ago

website - https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com torrents - http://nothingtohide.aquilenet.fr http://nothingtohide.aquilenet.fr kickstarter - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1587081065/nothing-to-hide-the-documentary https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1587081065/nothing-to-h...

miguelrochefort 9y ago

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

jasonkostempski 9y ago
That might work if no one was allowed to punish anyone for doing something simply because they consider it wrong. I don't want you, or anyone else, making that decision for me. Privacy is more about protection from people with power than it is for protection from direct harm.
krick 9y ago
Well, don't, if you wish so. I personally don't mind people walking naked on the street, jumping from the roofs, putting their fingers into meat grinder. But don't ask me to do any of these things.
mirimir 9y ago
The powerful ought to be have no privacy, because with power there's the need for public oversight. Ditto for corporations, government, and so on. And conversely, the weak ought to have total privacy, because they're so vulnerable. In reality, we have pretty much the opposite. Because wealth and power protect themselves. So it goes.
- paulryanrogers 9y ago
  Perhaps the powerful should have less professional privacy. But personal privacy is not far from dignity for many. So let's not make their personal lives any more of an industry than it already is. Still, the idea that the weak should have more privacy sounds about right.
  - mirimir 9y ago
    I get what you say about personal privacy. But with extreme power, there's not much that's legitimately private. Consider what people must reveal to get the highest security ratings, for example.

raamdev 9y ago

On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but everyone also understands that you have a right to your privacy in there and they don't expect you to leave the door open (unless, of course, that's your thing).

jasonkostempski 9y ago
But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.
- singold 9y ago
  But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that
  - mirimir 9y ago
    Right. Also, my wife and I have a little game of sharing about public restrooms that we encounter. Generally, the men's rooms are far more trashed than the women's rooms. But how many establishments have surveillance cameras in their men's rooms? Not many, I suspect.
    - mrhappyunhappy 9y ago
      Doesn't anyone want to spy on my junk?!
      - mirimir 9y ago
        Mostly, I'd think that they'd want to nail the guys who break toilets and urinals. I mean, how to they do that? Those things are solid porcelain, no? Hammers? But maybe they're more fragile than they used to be.

softwarelimits 9y ago

"Follow NOTHING TO HIDE on facebook" ...sigh https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com/ https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com/

gkya 9y ago
:) I find it really hard to follow news from movies because often they use things like Squarespace and Wix, and these motherf^W^W^W^W^W^Wsaints never have any feeds. You have a mailing list to follow if you're lucky, and usually the only other medium is the Facebook page.