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the cable industry only got off the ground and youtube only got off the ground by willfully ignoring copyright laws and engaging in a get big quick while stalli

the cable industry only got off the ground and youtube only got off the ground by willfully ignoring copyright laws and engaging in a get big quick while stalling litigation strategy. if "piracy" is the only way for superior distribution platforms to succeed then there is clearly something wrong with the laws. i think you are probably right that requiring non-discriminatory licensing (i.e. whatever licensing deal you offer to one party you have to offer to anyone on equal terms) would be a fair and reasonable way to foster competition and innovation while reasonably compensating copyright holders.

icebraining 9y ago
So if I upload my videos to YouTube (because I expect to make an income from their monetization), I have to offer licenses to my videos to everyone else for free as well?
- TimJYoung 9y ago
  I think he's saying that you have to offer them under the same terms, so that would include the new site having to provide monetization options for your content that are similar to your existing arrangement.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Right, but for example YT won't allow you to monetize videos until you reach 10k viewers on your channel. Which means a bunch of shitty video sites can use your videos without paying you until you reach 10k viewers on that site - which may mean "never". Also, even if they do pay you, it's not like ads have guaranteed rates, it's all dynamic based on bids, which are likely much smaller in another site.
    - alexanderstears 9y ago
      The sites would have to pay youtube for the content (ideally they'd pay something similar to how much youtube pays the creator - which would actually incentivize youtube to pay creators). If youtube doesn't pay you, that's between you and youtube. Maybe there should be a mechanism for creators to optout of the mutual licencing agreements but I'd make it opt-in by default. I'd bet that the vast majority of people uploading things to youtube do so just to share their content, google shouldn't be enriched by walling off content that creators want to share with the most people. I make a few youtube videos of my hobbies (e.g how to change the fork seals on old Honda motorcycles or pull door panels off Toyotas), I don't care if I make a dime but I'd be over the moon with joy if I got a message telling me that I inspired someone to get a bike running. Google's monopolist bologna shouldn't thwart people from getting their content out there.
- alexanderstears 9y ago
  Who said anything about licensing it for free? I think youtube's catalog should be available to service who can cough up as much as youtube.

icebraining 9y ago

So if I upload my videos to YouTube (because I expect to make an income from their monetization), I have to offer licenses to my videos to everyone else for free as well?

TimJYoung 9y ago
I think he's saying that you have to offer them under the same terms, so that would include the new site having to provide monetization options for your content that are similar to your existing arrangement.
- icebraining 9y ago
  Right, but for example YT won't allow you to monetize videos until you reach 10k viewers on your channel. Which means a bunch of shitty video sites can use your videos without paying you until you reach 10k viewers on that site - which may mean "never". Also, even if they do pay you, it's not like ads have guaranteed rates, it's all dynamic based on bids, which are likely much smaller in another site.
  - alexanderstears 9y ago
    The sites would have to pay youtube for the content (ideally they'd pay something similar to how much youtube pays the creator - which would actually incentivize youtube to pay creators). If youtube doesn't pay you, that's between you and youtube. Maybe there should be a mechanism for creators to optout of the mutual licencing agreements but I'd make it opt-in by default. I'd bet that the vast majority of people uploading things to youtube do so just to share their content, google shouldn't be enriched by walling off content that creators want to share with the most people. I make a few youtube videos of my hobbies (e.g how to change the fork seals on old Honda motorcycles or pull door panels off Toyotas), I don't care if I make a dime but I'd be over the moon with joy if I got a message telling me that I inspired someone to get a bike running. Google's monopolist bologna shouldn't thwart people from getting their content out there.
alexanderstears 9y ago
Who said anything about licensing it for free? I think youtube's catalog should be available to service who can cough up as much as youtube.