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iPhone X – Not Yet

28 points by jandll 9y ago

kalleboo 9y ago
> If removing apps won’t get my phone to better behave, I’m going to do a hard reset. That will downgrade me to iOS 10 (or even 9), which I hope will be more usable. Not true. Apple's servers are no longer signing iOS 10.3.3, it's impossible to downgrade through any means. http://api.ineal.me/tss/status http://api.ineal.me/tss/status https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/04/apple-stops-signing-ios-10-3-3/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/04/apple-stops-signing-ios...
f_allwein 9y ago
No matter what Apple says: battery life on my iPhone plummeted after I installed iOS 11. Speed went down a bit, but that was you be expected. Hoping 11.1 will address the battery issue. As far as I know, a factory reset won't downgrade you to a previous version and it's nearly impossible to do so. Obviously yes, you don't need the fanciest, latest iPhone in most cases. Mine is a 5s, and I may upgrade to SE eventually. Edit: typo
- tmikaeld 9y ago
  I have both Oneplus 3 and iPhone 8 of recent, the OP3 have more than double the battery time so I'm really hoping that it is a system issue.
- Mr_Ed 9y ago
  I had a similar problem after installing iOS 11 on my iPhone (7 Plus). The battery life was so bad, I was having to charge multiple times per day. I installed the public beta of 11.1 out of frustration, and I'm pleased to say it's fixed the problem. At this point I feel like the battery life is back to "normal" (iOS 10 levels).
  - tmikaeld 9y ago
    Glad to hear that, i hope it get released publicly soon.
  - sjwright 9y ago
    I also own an iPhone 7 Plus and iOS 11 had no discernible impact on my battery life. I'm consistently between 30% and 50% at the end of the day depending how much I use it.
- s_kilk 9y ago
  iOS11 has been bad enough that I've moved over to a Galaxy S8. The difference in stability and smoothness is night-and-day.
  - sjwright 9y ago
    For a counterpoint, iOS 11 has been completely smooth sailing for me, absolutely no problems or performance impact. I know at least a dozen people with iPhones (of various generations) and none of them had a bad thing to say about the update.
- ClassyJacket 9y ago
  iOS 11 has been such a disaster for my iPhone 7 that I'm moving away from Apple altogether. The phone is full of UI glitches, unreliable, has horrible battery life, Bluetooth connections fail constantly, and it's so generally slow it can't even reliably play a pre-downloaded podcast while opening an app without it stuttering badly. They've put out some bad software updates in the past, but this one is pretty inexcusable especially when you consider it took away as many useful features from the iPhone (3D Touch app switching, Notification Centre from Reachability) as it added.
  - alecthomas 9y ago
    Yep, same here. It's a dumpster fire. I just ordered a Pixel 2 XL. Fingers crossed...
    - rahkiin 9y ago
      Make sure not to turn it on until december with the first Oreo update: Google will be supplying software updates recalibrating the screen and 'fixing' the burn-in, reports say. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/google-addresses-pixel-2-display-and-audio-complaints-ups-warranty-to-two-years/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/google-addresses-pix...
    - lukevdp 9y ago
      Same here. I've got Apple phones, iPads, MacBook and iMac. Have had Apple phones since the 3G. This update is the final straw, my phone has gone from good to unusable. Siri takes so long to process commands now that I've stopped using it. Everything is so slooow. I just preordered a Pixel 2 XL as well.
      - StavrosK 9y ago
        I usually quite like Google's flagships, but I can't justify the price any more. My Nexus 6P's battery only lasts two hours nowadays, as it dies at 40 or 50%. I don't want a phone that costs a small fortune and barely lasts two years, especially one that doesn't have a headphone jack. Immediate updates are nice, but the downsides are too big. I'm looking for another phone model I can switch to, maybe the LG V30 or some Xiaomi phone.
- tareqak 9y ago
  I wonder if the performance and battery issues that some people have been having and others have not can be explained in part by different chipsets and/or modems and iOS having to deal with both: https://www.repeaterstore.com/blogs/main/for-better-cell-signal-buy-the-a1865-m https://www.repeaterstore.com/blogs/main/for-better-cell-sig... That article mentions that the iPhone 7 was the first one to have both Intel (non-CDMA) and Qualcomm (CDMA) versions.
  - f_allwein 9y ago
    quite possible. I also noticed my battery usage is way higher in some countries than in others...
- jakobegger 9y ago
  I was also convinced that iOS 11 caused my battery life to plummet. But it turned out my battery was just broken. You‘d think that batteries should last longer than a year, but it‘s a question of statistics: Some batteries last longer, some deteriorate quickly. I was unlucky with my battery. Tips: 1. Check your battery health. Coconut Battery lets you check your battery health. If it is under 80%, consider swapping it. 2. 3rd party repair shops are faster and a lot cheaper than Apple.
Theodores 9y ago
As an Android user I am not sure whether to believe this tired story about how new iOS releases slow down the phone and make you 'have to' upgrade to a new device. I am sure there have been historical precedents where Apple have moved e.g. from 32 to 64 bit and made a tranche of older devices practically unusable. But is this really the situation today? I think that there will always be those that grumble about progress, e.g. people that complained 'Win 7 slower than Vista', so it is hard to tell. But have Apple upgraded things so that the iphone 6 feels slow and users of the device feel compelled to upgrade? Not wishing to start an opinion based flamewar but, as an Android user seeing all as well in Apple land, I would like to know if there really is a performance issue on iOS 11 / iphone 6.
- tmikaeld 9y ago
  I'd argue that the bigger issue is worn out flash memory. Even with TRIM (4.3+), the chips grinds to a halt after a few years of constant writing. These days it's not as big of an issue due to most higher end phones having bigger memories (with more cells to wear out).
  - SyneRyder 9y ago
    It could also be unintentionally full flash memory. I have an iPhone 4 that was unbearably slow, and eventually started claiming there was not enough room to sync music, despite supposedly having 2 - 3GB spare. (The 'other' section had somehow grown to 8GB, and after attempting a factory reset & resync, Other grew to 16GB instead of disappearing.) I fixed it by deleted all the music, syncing, and then manually selecting the music I wanted again. That got me back my free space and cleared the 'other' space. The device is now remarkably zippy again. [Obviously I have other phones, but I still use the iPhone 4 as an iPod & podcast device.]
- Hurtak 9y ago
  On Windows Phone the story was the same. Upgrade from 8 to 8.1 made the phone noticeably slower, another upgrade to 10 made it almost unusable. So this is not exclusive to Apple. It is probably that Android users usually do not receive updates, so they can't complain that updates made their phones slower.
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sumeera 9y ago
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aorth 9y ago
> I don’t like the conditioning of buying a new iPhone just because mine is 2 years old, and want out of the Apple marketing machine. Amen. Stay strong.
gfiorav 9y ago
Factory reset to iOS 11. Apple’s update system is like lottery. I factory reset when updating on Mac and iPhone.
- robk 9y ago
  It takes me hours to revert all my app logins and even wallet takes days to re add some of my cards. This is simply not feasible
- thinkythought 9y ago
  For a lot of people, including my own experience with multiple devices i have, this didn't help. If it did, it maybe made a 10% difference.
yladiz 9y ago
Of the iOS updates I’ve used, iOS 11 has been the worst one by far. I know some of the issues are due to my phone, but there are visual glitches, broken components (playing music won’t actually show in the Control Center until restarting phone), messed up keyboard inputs, poor battery life, and poor performance in general that seemingly are software only. I’m almost certain that they took more experienced engineers away to other projects and left the less experienced ones with iOS, and possibly downsized the team, based on the seemingly obvious issues. I’m also sure they were testing so hard for iPhone X that they didn’t test for older devices so much. At least the 10th anniversary has passed, so I’m hopeful for next year actually being a good iOS update again. For the people who down voted me, why?
dreit1 9y ago
I've been using the 5s since it came out(love the form factor), and always update iOS immediately. Have never had any problems. IDK where this need to buy a new phone comes from. If you like your phone, you can surely stick with it
laichzeit0 9y ago
It's really hard to fathom how Apple fucked up iOS 11 so badly. I feel exactly the same as this guy, but I have an iPhone 6s. It's slow, the battery drains, the text is big and ugly (Messages, Inbox, Chats), the goddamn Calculator app is broken. And somehow the usual retort to this is "Have you tried disabling blah blah blah or doing so so so". I don't _want_ to dick around with my phone. It worked fine, now it's broke. Literally the only reason for me to upgrade would be so I can have a phone that's exactly the same as this one, except it's missing a headphone jack and costs more. That's hardly a value proposition. Jesus, Apple. WTF?
- vizzah 9y ago
  Yeah, I saw the update and especially enlarged and ugly fonts stand out. Damn, what are they thinking. What a mad presumption that every update needs to do UI design change or otherwise it would feel stale to someone(?). I chosen Apple only due to design and attention to detail and it's incredibly sad to see it shatter.
- mercer 9y ago
  The one regression I've been experiencing is the wifi. I have pretty much unlimited 4G, but a very bad wifi connection in my bedroom. Because of Apple's silly disabled-but-not-really wifi and bluetooth, my wifi keeps switching to on, seemingly randomly, but probably whenever it loses and then reacquires my home wifi. As a result I have to keep turning wifi off in settings, which is a bit too rigorous, or I have to keep remembering to turn off wifi in the bedroom. I can't help but feel there's a use-case myopia at Apple that, for whatever reason, is starting to become problematic. For me, at least, and I think I'm pretty much their ideal customer (aside from not having a wife and kids).
  - skygazer 9y ago
    I use a iOS VPN app called Speedify, that simultaneously bonds wifi/cellular channels into a single channel, ostensibly for speed sake. It seems to handle situations where either wifi or cellular is flakey, and even has a redundant mode, where all traffic is sent via both channels simultaneously. Redundant mode is not fast, but it is rock solid reliable. I use it if I want to make sure I don't drop a VOIP call.
paul7986 9y ago
Battery life on iPhone 8 is awesome. THe speed and overall smoothness of how the phone runs is great too. The iPhone 8 isn't a huge leap in innovation but in UX its a marked improvement even over from my iPHone 7.
anonlerker 9y ago
I’ve created an account on HN just to talk about how bad iOS 11 has been. I’ve tried iOS 11 on - a 6s plus, 7 plus (mine and a friend’s), 8 plus, an iPad Air 2. I have to experiment with quite a few devices for work related reasons. The 7 plus had the Intel variant. The battery has been just bad, just horribly bad on all but one 8 plus. I’ve never experienced such a poor quality update from Apple. Apple is quite stubborn when it comes to UX choices, but the Wifi and Bluetooth toggle issue is just inexcusable. I have a great LTE plan but poor Wifi in the bedroom. One night, I forgot to turn off the Wifi from the settings app. I was habituated to toggling it on or off from control centre. I woke up in the morning and saw the battery had gone down by 30%. The device was at full charge at night. The phone kept trying to reconnect to the Wifi all night and ended up draining 30%. I live with Apple’s design/UX choices which they force upon the users because it usually just works out in the end. But this is just stupid! I have never been this aggravated with an iOS update. It’s silly changes for the sake of change. That’s it. I’m so hopping mad right now with the update that I’m considering Android again. I do not want to pay premium prices for such horrible software quality. I’ve no intention of buying any high end Android as they loose value quite fast. Maybe a cheap, sub 300 USD phone. I don’t care for updates at that price. I’ll just swap the phone every year if I want the update.

28 points by jandll 9y ago

> If removing apps won’t get my phone to better behave, I’m going to do a hard reset. That will downgrade me to iOS 10 (or even 9), which I hope will be more usable. Not true. Apple's servers are no longer signing iOS 10.3.3, it's impossible to downgrade through any means. http://api.ineal.me/tss/status http://api.ineal.me/tss/status https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/04/apple-stops-signing-ios-10-3-3/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/04/apple-stops-signing-ios...

f_allwein 9y ago

No matter what Apple says: battery life on my iPhone plummeted after I installed iOS 11. Speed went down a bit, but that was you be expected. Hoping 11.1 will address the battery issue. As far as I know, a factory reset won't downgrade you to a previous version and it's nearly impossible to do so. Obviously yes, you don't need the fanciest, latest iPhone in most cases. Mine is a 5s, and I may upgrade to SE eventually. Edit: typo

tmikaeld 9y ago
I have both Oneplus 3 and iPhone 8 of recent, the OP3 have more than double the battery time so I'm really hoping that it is a system issue.
Mr_Ed 9y ago
I had a similar problem after installing iOS 11 on my iPhone (7 Plus). The battery life was so bad, I was having to charge multiple times per day. I installed the public beta of 11.1 out of frustration, and I'm pleased to say it's fixed the problem. At this point I feel like the battery life is back to "normal" (iOS 10 levels).
- tmikaeld 9y ago
  Glad to hear that, i hope it get released publicly soon.
- sjwright 9y ago
  I also own an iPhone 7 Plus and iOS 11 had no discernible impact on my battery life. I'm consistently between 30% and 50% at the end of the day depending how much I use it.
s_kilk 9y ago
iOS11 has been bad enough that I've moved over to a Galaxy S8. The difference in stability and smoothness is night-and-day.
- sjwright 9y ago
  For a counterpoint, iOS 11 has been completely smooth sailing for me, absolutely no problems or performance impact. I know at least a dozen people with iPhones (of various generations) and none of them had a bad thing to say about the update.
ClassyJacket 9y ago
iOS 11 has been such a disaster for my iPhone 7 that I'm moving away from Apple altogether. The phone is full of UI glitches, unreliable, has horrible battery life, Bluetooth connections fail constantly, and it's so generally slow it can't even reliably play a pre-downloaded podcast while opening an app without it stuttering badly. They've put out some bad software updates in the past, but this one is pretty inexcusable especially when you consider it took away as many useful features from the iPhone (3D Touch app switching, Notification Centre from Reachability) as it added.
- alecthomas 9y ago
  Yep, same here. It's a dumpster fire. I just ordered a Pixel 2 XL. Fingers crossed...
  - rahkiin 9y ago
    Make sure not to turn it on until december with the first Oreo update: Google will be supplying software updates recalibrating the screen and 'fixing' the burn-in, reports say. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/google-addresses-pixel-2-display-and-audio-complaints-ups-warranty-to-two-years/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/google-addresses-pix...
  - lukevdp 9y ago
    Same here. I've got Apple phones, iPads, MacBook and iMac. Have had Apple phones since the 3G. This update is the final straw, my phone has gone from good to unusable. Siri takes so long to process commands now that I've stopped using it. Everything is so slooow. I just preordered a Pixel 2 XL as well.
    - StavrosK 9y ago
      I usually quite like Google's flagships, but I can't justify the price any more. My Nexus 6P's battery only lasts two hours nowadays, as it dies at 40 or 50%. I don't want a phone that costs a small fortune and barely lasts two years, especially one that doesn't have a headphone jack. Immediate updates are nice, but the downsides are too big. I'm looking for another phone model I can switch to, maybe the LG V30 or some Xiaomi phone.
tareqak 9y ago
I wonder if the performance and battery issues that some people have been having and others have not can be explained in part by different chipsets and/or modems and iOS having to deal with both: https://www.repeaterstore.com/blogs/main/for-better-cell-signal-buy-the-a1865-m https://www.repeaterstore.com/blogs/main/for-better-cell-sig... That article mentions that the iPhone 7 was the first one to have both Intel (non-CDMA) and Qualcomm (CDMA) versions.
- f_allwein 9y ago
  quite possible. I also noticed my battery usage is way higher in some countries than in others...
jakobegger 9y ago
I was also convinced that iOS 11 caused my battery life to plummet. But it turned out my battery was just broken. You‘d think that batteries should last longer than a year, but it‘s a question of statistics: Some batteries last longer, some deteriorate quickly. I was unlucky with my battery. Tips: 1. Check your battery health. Coconut Battery lets you check your battery health. If it is under 80%, consider swapping it. 2. 3rd party repair shops are faster and a lot cheaper than Apple.

Theodores 9y ago

As an Android user I am not sure whether to believe this tired story about how new iOS releases slow down the phone and make you 'have to' upgrade to a new device. I am sure there have been historical precedents where Apple have moved e.g. from 32 to 64 bit and made a tranche of older devices practically unusable. But is this really the situation today? I think that there will always be those that grumble about progress, e.g. people that complained 'Win 7 slower than Vista', so it is hard to tell. But have Apple upgraded things so that the iphone 6 feels slow and users of the device feel compelled to upgrade? Not wishing to start an opinion based flamewar but, as an Android user seeing all as well in Apple land, I would like to know if there really is a performance issue on iOS 11 / iphone 6.

tmikaeld 9y ago
I'd argue that the bigger issue is worn out flash memory. Even with TRIM (4.3+), the chips grinds to a halt after a few years of constant writing. These days it's not as big of an issue due to most higher end phones having bigger memories (with more cells to wear out).
- SyneRyder 9y ago
  It could also be unintentionally full flash memory. I have an iPhone 4 that was unbearably slow, and eventually started claiming there was not enough room to sync music, despite supposedly having 2 - 3GB spare. (The 'other' section had somehow grown to 8GB, and after attempting a factory reset & resync, Other grew to 16GB instead of disappearing.) I fixed it by deleted all the music, syncing, and then manually selecting the music I wanted again. That got me back my free space and cleared the 'other' space. The device is now remarkably zippy again. [Obviously I have other phones, but I still use the iPhone 4 as an iPod & podcast device.]
Hurtak 9y ago
On Windows Phone the story was the same. Upgrade from 8 to 8.1 made the phone noticeably slower, another upgrade to 10 made it almost unusable. So this is not exclusive to Apple. It is probably that Android users usually do not receive updates, so they can't complain that updates made their phones slower.

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sumeera 9y ago

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aorth 9y ago

> I don’t like the conditioning of buying a new iPhone just because mine is 2 years old, and want out of the Apple marketing machine. Amen. Stay strong.

gfiorav 9y ago

Factory reset to iOS 11. Apple’s update system is like lottery. I factory reset when updating on Mac and iPhone.

robk 9y ago
It takes me hours to revert all my app logins and even wallet takes days to re add some of my cards. This is simply not feasible
thinkythought 9y ago
For a lot of people, including my own experience with multiple devices i have, this didn't help. If it did, it maybe made a 10% difference.

yladiz 9y ago

Of the iOS updates I’ve used, iOS 11 has been the worst one by far. I know some of the issues are due to my phone, but there are visual glitches, broken components (playing music won’t actually show in the Control Center until restarting phone), messed up keyboard inputs, poor battery life, and poor performance in general that seemingly are software only. I’m almost certain that they took more experienced engineers away to other projects and left the less experienced ones with iOS, and possibly downsized the team, based on the seemingly obvious issues. I’m also sure they were testing so hard for iPhone X that they didn’t test for older devices so much. At least the 10th anniversary has passed, so I’m hopeful for next year actually being a good iOS update again. For the people who down voted me, why?

dreit1 9y ago

I've been using the 5s since it came out(love the form factor), and always update iOS immediately. Have never had any problems. IDK where this need to buy a new phone comes from. If you like your phone, you can surely stick with it

laichzeit0 9y ago

It's really hard to fathom how Apple fucked up iOS 11 so badly. I feel exactly the same as this guy, but I have an iPhone 6s. It's slow, the battery drains, the text is big and ugly (Messages, Inbox, Chats), the goddamn Calculator app is broken. And somehow the usual retort to this is "Have you tried disabling blah blah blah or doing so so so". I don't _want_ to dick around with my phone. It worked fine, now it's broke. Literally the only reason for me to upgrade would be so I can have a phone that's exactly the same as this one, except it's missing a headphone jack and costs more. That's hardly a value proposition. Jesus, Apple. WTF?

vizzah 9y ago
Yeah, I saw the update and especially enlarged and ugly fonts stand out. Damn, what are they thinking. What a mad presumption that every update needs to do UI design change or otherwise it would feel stale to someone(?). I chosen Apple only due to design and attention to detail and it's incredibly sad to see it shatter.
mercer 9y ago
The one regression I've been experiencing is the wifi. I have pretty much unlimited 4G, but a very bad wifi connection in my bedroom. Because of Apple's silly disabled-but-not-really wifi and bluetooth, my wifi keeps switching to on, seemingly randomly, but probably whenever it loses and then reacquires my home wifi. As a result I have to keep turning wifi off in settings, which is a bit too rigorous, or I have to keep remembering to turn off wifi in the bedroom. I can't help but feel there's a use-case myopia at Apple that, for whatever reason, is starting to become problematic. For me, at least, and I think I'm pretty much their ideal customer (aside from not having a wife and kids).
- skygazer 9y ago
  I use a iOS VPN app called Speedify, that simultaneously bonds wifi/cellular channels into a single channel, ostensibly for speed sake. It seems to handle situations where either wifi or cellular is flakey, and even has a redundant mode, where all traffic is sent via both channels simultaneously. Redundant mode is not fast, but it is rock solid reliable. I use it if I want to make sure I don't drop a VOIP call.

paul7986 9y ago

Battery life on iPhone 8 is awesome. THe speed and overall smoothness of how the phone runs is great too. The iPhone 8 isn't a huge leap in innovation but in UX its a marked improvement even over from my iPHone 7.

anonlerker 9y ago

I’ve created an account on HN just to talk about how bad iOS 11 has been. I’ve tried iOS 11 on - a 6s plus, 7 plus (mine and a friend’s), 8 plus, an iPad Air 2. I have to experiment with quite a few devices for work related reasons. The 7 plus had the Intel variant. The battery has been just bad, just horribly bad on all but one 8 plus. I’ve never experienced such a poor quality update from Apple. Apple is quite stubborn when it comes to UX choices, but the Wifi and Bluetooth toggle issue is just inexcusable. I have a great LTE plan but poor Wifi in the bedroom. One night, I forgot to turn off the Wifi from the settings app. I was habituated to toggling it on or off from control centre. I woke up in the morning and saw the battery had gone down by 30%. The device was at full charge at night. The phone kept trying to reconnect to the Wifi all night and ended up draining 30%. I live with Apple’s design/UX choices which they force upon the users because it usually just works out in the end. But this is just stupid! I have never been this aggravated with an iOS update. It’s silly changes for the sake of change. That’s it. I’m so hopping mad right now with the update that I’m considering Android again. I do not want to pay premium prices for such horrible software quality. I’ve no intention of buying any high end Android as they loose value quite fast. Maybe a cheap, sub 300 USD phone. I don’t care for updates at that price. I’ll just swap the phone every year if I want the update.