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"Obviously the smart and qualified ones are going to move abroad to get a good qualify of life" Chinese emigration into the US is about 75 thousand a year http

"Obviously the smart and qualified ones are going to move abroad to get a good qualify of life" Chinese emigration into the US is about 75 thousand a year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_St... . It is not clear how many of that are skill based. So in your view how many of the 600 million worthy ones are "smart and qualified"? Not to say China doesn't have a brain drain problem, but quantity at a certain level is a quality in itself.

Retric 9y ago
US is only one destination. More striking their net migration is -1.8 million per year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_mig... Still, 75,000 per year is quite a bit, China has 17 million births per year so ~1/2 a percent moves to the Us each year. Assuming it's concentrated among the top 5% that's 10% of their elite just gone to the US let alone EU etc.
- fspeech 9y ago
  The column heading says the 1.8 million number is for over a 5 year period. The same table on net migration shows China has -1.3 net migration per 1000 (over 5 years), not particularly high compared to other countries. Considering there are over 50 million Chinese living overseas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese , the total is not that high either. Or is your contention that all smart Chinese already left China? I also don't know how you figured out that 10% of Chinese elite move to US. Have you heard of family based immigration? Anyway here is some evidence that the trend is opposite to your supposition: Chinese chemistry Ph.D. grads are forgoing U.S. postdocs https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i41/Chinese-chemistry-PhD-grads-forgoing.html https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i41/Chinese-chemistry-PhD-gr...
  - Retric 9y ago
    Net migration means people moving back are offset. Yes, the rate is not insane and it's not simply based on IQ or anything, but it's also not a random process. Presumably, the people with the best US prospects are more likely to stay. As to 10% figure, I am simply making the point that each year adds up. 75k per year might not seem huge, but you hit 1.5 million in 20 years. And again that's just the US, the brain drain is cumulative across all countries people are migrating to.

Retric 9y ago

US is only one destination. More striking their net migration is -1.8 million per year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_mig... Still, 75,000 per year is quite a bit, China has 17 million births per year so ~1/2 a percent moves to the Us each year. Assuming it's concentrated among the top 5% that's 10% of their elite just gone to the US let alone EU etc.

fspeech 9y ago
The column heading says the 1.8 million number is for over a 5 year period. The same table on net migration shows China has -1.3 net migration per 1000 (over 5 years), not particularly high compared to other countries. Considering there are over 50 million Chinese living overseas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese , the total is not that high either. Or is your contention that all smart Chinese already left China? I also don't know how you figured out that 10% of Chinese elite move to US. Have you heard of family based immigration? Anyway here is some evidence that the trend is opposite to your supposition: Chinese chemistry Ph.D. grads are forgoing U.S. postdocs https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i41/Chinese-chemistry-PhD-grads-forgoing.html https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i41/Chinese-chemistry-PhD-gr...
- Retric 9y ago
  Net migration means people moving back are offset. Yes, the rate is not insane and it's not simply based on IQ or anything, but it's also not a random process. Presumably, the people with the best US prospects are more likely to stay. As to 10% figure, I am simply making the point that each year adds up. 75k per year might not seem huge, but you hit 1.5 million in 20 years. And again that's just the US, the brain drain is cumulative across all countries people are migrating to.