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Based on experience from Norwegian colleagues: Yes it is more difficult than in say the US but not that hard. You just must document over a period of months th

Based on experience from Norwegian colleagues: Yes it is more difficult than in say the US but not that hard. You just must document over a period of months that the employee is underperforming and not improving; you can’t just fire them with no notice or warning. Most big corporations in the US work this way anyway as well.

pyronik 9y ago
Yeah and its a complete pain in the ass. It's funny these people can't do their jobs but they are masters of using HR departments to shield them from their own incompetence.
- forapurpose 9y ago
  Or are they using reasonable leverage to protect themselves from employers who fail at their jobs (good management, training, obtaining and allocating resources, etc.) or who fire good employees for bad reasons (whistleblowers, scapegoats, to protect the job of the person you're sleeping with, etc.).
- jernfrost 9y ago
  In my experience managers are utterly horrible at giving early feedback to people who are not performing, and working with them to improve. It is I suppose part of human nature. People think it is awkward to deal with so they avoid it. You have to consider that for society it is very wasteful to have people live off welfare schemes rather than working. Even if you are not a high performance worker, it is better for society that you are working than staying unemployed.
  - pyronik 9y ago
    No amount of feedback can turn a lemon. Also, its not the role of corporations to play makework and pretend they are contributing. So someone gets fired and takes a job more befitting of their abilities... that's not welfare that's just life.
alkonaut 9y ago
> You just must document over a period of months that the employee is underperforming and not improving And of course the documentation must include signs that they have been given any required to improve etc. Depending on how bad it is, the deal settled with the employer will vary. If there is video of an employee sleeping on the job at the factory on severeal occasions, they will probably be let go without compensation. If the employee just complains that a worker is only half as fast as the guy next to him, there is no way the employer can let the guy go without compensation.
- surfmike 9y ago
  You need to give three months notice or severance, but other than that not aware of need for compensation.

pyronik 9y ago

Yeah and its a complete pain in the ass. It's funny these people can't do their jobs but they are masters of using HR departments to shield them from their own incompetence.

forapurpose 9y ago
Or are they using reasonable leverage to protect themselves from employers who fail at their jobs (good management, training, obtaining and allocating resources, etc.) or who fire good employees for bad reasons (whistleblowers, scapegoats, to protect the job of the person you're sleeping with, etc.).
jernfrost 9y ago
In my experience managers are utterly horrible at giving early feedback to people who are not performing, and working with them to improve. It is I suppose part of human nature. People think it is awkward to deal with so they avoid it. You have to consider that for society it is very wasteful to have people live off welfare schemes rather than working. Even if you are not a high performance worker, it is better for society that you are working than staying unemployed.
- pyronik 9y ago
  No amount of feedback can turn a lemon. Also, its not the role of corporations to play makework and pretend they are contributing. So someone gets fired and takes a job more befitting of their abilities... that's not welfare that's just life.

alkonaut 9y ago

> You just must document over a period of months that the employee is underperforming and not improving And of course the documentation must include signs that they have been given any required to improve etc. Depending on how bad it is, the deal settled with the employer will vary. If there is video of an employee sleeping on the job at the factory on severeal occasions, they will probably be let go without compensation. If the employee just complains that a worker is only half as fast as the guy next to him, there is no way the employer can let the guy go without compensation.

surfmike 9y ago
You need to give three months notice or severance, but other than that not aware of need for compensation.