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Jackie is Chinese. He ought to be pro-China. In the WaPo article you linked, he says the following: If our own countrymen don’t support our country, who w
by crush-n-spread 9y ago
Jackie is Chinese. He ought to be pro-China. In the WaPo article you linked, he says the following:
If our own countrymen don’t support our country,
who will support our country? We know our country
has many problems. We [can] talk about it when the
door is closed. To outsiders, [we should say] “our
country is the best.”
and
Seriously, I am always like, when the door is
closed, “Our country is like this and this. Who
and who is not good.” But outside, “Our country
is the best, like so and so, is the best.” You
cannot say our country has problems [when you are
outside], like “Yes, our country is bad.”
Can you fault him for that? Perhaps it is the American standard that is wrong. Perhaps it is wrong to talk poorly of your own state on the global stage. Just because Americans (who own the fruits of 70-odd years of global dominance) are willing to disparage their country to no end, does not mean that it should be a standard for everyone.
t. Canadian
- sinnoh 9y agoThere are few secrets on the world stage. Pretending like your country doesn't have issues makes you sound either foolish or brainwashed. Not so much "the American standard" as it is basic logic.
- 0xcde4c3db 9y ago> Just because Americans (who own the fruits of 70-odd years of global dominance) are willing to disparage their country to no end It's more that Americans do not necessarily consider open criticism of government leaders and policy to be "disparaging our country". Many consider it unpatriotic to not voice such criticism if you honestly believe that something is wrong.
- pcr0 9y agoNothing wrong with being proud of one's nationality or country. Jackie Chan on the other hand is against free speech, thinks Chinese people can't handle freedom and that they need to be controlled for their own good.
- Gigablah 9y agoDoesn't sound particularly controversial. I've heard dafter things from American politicians and celebrities.
- coldtea 9y agoAren't all those things the particular American idea of what government should be? Why should the Chinese agree with it? Because of the white man's burden? Or because some countries think their way (e.g. related to how to govern etc) is the only way? China has millennia old tradition and preference for a confucianism in government, where it's all about cohesion and harmony.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> Can you fault him for that? Yes; while the attitude is extremely common, and not just when it comes to nations, it's an attitude that serves as a powerful enabler of evil in every context in which it is found, whether national, family, corporate, partisan, religious, or otherwise, and it should emphatically be condemned every time it rears its ugly head. > Perhaps it is the American standard that is wrong. Americans are no less prone to this than others.
- coldtea 9y ago>Americans are no less prone to this than others No, they tend to think that their farts don't smell -- and that being pro-China as a Chinese is somehow worse than being pro-US as an American.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> No, they tend to think that their farts don't smell Some of them might, plenty of them—like Chan—don't believe anyone should criticize America where outsiders can see (of course, it's hard to tell those attitudes apart in either country, since the outward expression of the latter is also a convenient cover for the former.)
- crush-n-spread 9y agoYou claim that having solidarity with your nation, family, corporation, etc. is an enabler of evil. But what you see as evil probably looks a lot like dominance, control and strength to the rest of the world. Ultimately, national power is extremely valuable on the global stage. Every single industrial nation on Earth has tens of thousands of business leaders and decision makers working to usurp that power from other nations as their own; this must be known and acknowledged! Whether it be exploitative trade agreements or owning parts of a neighbouring country's industry, to have control and dominance over other nations and their diverse varieties of resources is what wars are fought over. Thus, if Americans do not seek to solidify their dominance at every moment, their dominance will be taken from them at some point; of this we can be sure. We _must_ have solidarity. It is not an enabler of evil - rather, it protects us from the evils that others might inflict upon us. Because that's how the world works. We fight over resources.
- rebuilder 9y agoWhat's with this idea that an accident of birth must determine which flag owns you?
- titanix2 9y agoGood luck applying any law without a state and a defined jurisdiction.
- rebuilder 9y agoYes, very true. I was responding to the idea that a person should be patriotic, though. Although in Mr. Chan's case, surely that would imply he should be pro-Hong Kong, whatever that means...
- coldtea 9y agoWhat's with this idea that the country that nurtured you, and the culture that you were raised in, and where you live, is some "accident of birth"? You can always immigrate. But even for immigrants, their native country, if they spend their formative years there, is not some mere "accident of birth", anymore than your family is or your kid is (after all what is a kid? Some accident of birth as well, could have made another kid with another person -- not to mention who your spouse is among 8 billion is an "accident of meeting", etc)
- BeetleB 9y ago>You can always immigrate. Not easily. Many countries are openly hostile to immigration, and do not even have a path to legal immigration.
- rb666 9y agoWhat a terrible way to think. You also feel Germans cannot be faulted for supporting the Nazis, just because they are German?
- crush-n-spread 9y agoWait a second. In the quotes I took of Jackie, he says that he is critical of Japan behind closed doors. Your Nazi comparison holds no water.