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I'm not sure if it's the most common smartphone multitasking scenario. Considerably more common than that,I want to leave an application and come back to it wi

by htsh 16y ago

I'm not sure if it's the most common smartphone multitasking scenario. Considerably more common than that,I want to leave an application and come back to it without navigating from the beginning. For example, if I'm in twitter and I go to a link in the browser, I can come back to where I was in twitter. And I can do this with the back button. Do you really check for directions while on phone calls often? Perhaps it's just me, but people don't call me for directions that much. I do agree that the author's word choice of "niggle" is troubling and slightly outdated, especially if you look up it's etymology.

nfg 16y ago
> "niggle" is troubling and slightly outdated, especially if you look up it's etymology. Could you expand on this? I can't find anything other than it dating to the 1500/1600s, probably from Norwegian "Nigla" (to be penurious) or cognate with "Niggardly". As with "niggardly" I don't think there's any racial connotation to the term other than its sound?
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- htsh 16y ago
  The word "niggardly" and it's cognates are not preferred language not just due to their phonetic similarity to a word which unfortunately has awful connotation, but also because sophomoric racists have unfortunately appropriated these terms to have this sort of racial meaning. I should have said "recent etymology" above. For this reason, magazines and newspapers avoid the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%2... (see the bottom) I might be dating myself here, but "niggardly" and "niggle" used to be used quite often to imply racial meaning even if none technically exists. Perhaps we shouldn't avoid the term just b/c some ignorant folks used them in racist ways, but in this case I don't see the harm in avoiding it considering there are so many other ways to say the same thing. Unfortunately, once racists use these words to mean something other than their dictionary definitions, you run the risk of raising eyebrows amongst people who may have experienced these terms in these secondary contexts. In England, this is likely a different story. And would you really use "niggardly" to describe something in America in 2010? Really?
  - confuzatron 16y ago
    It just blows my mind that there exist people who would discourage the use of the word 'niggle' because of the fact that it is etymologically related to a word that sounds a bit like a derogatory term.
    - htsh 16y ago
      But you're ignoring the part about people using it in racist ways already. That's the rub here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggle http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggle
      - confuzatron 16y ago
        Urbandictionary! A palpable hit! I retire from the field of combat...
        htsh 16y ago
        Out of the 15 definitions, 5 of them are extremely racist. Do you really doubt that American people have used the word "niggle" in various racist ways and that I have heard it used in these ways? I don't know what else to tell you, but some of these words have ugly histories outside of their dictionary definitions. I cited urbandictionary precisely b/c it's the best resource to illustrate to someone unfamiliar with street usage of some of these words. There's really no harm in avoiding it. It strikes me odd that people downvote this sort of thing, but it makes me happy that many folks here have never been exposed to this sort of nastiness.
        confuzatron 16y ago
        I would appreciate it if you would stop requesting people to not use a harmless word just because there are morons in the US who misuse it. I find it extremely offensive. Also, stop using the word 'black' please. Some of the definitions of that word on urbandictionary are racist, so therefore according to your laughable criteria the word is off limits. If people start using the word 'salad' in a racist way, do we have to stop using it? You have to be trolling. I'm too flabbergasted to continue this discussion.
siglesias 16y ago
No back navigation on iPhone from browser to Twitter? You mean this back button here that's only there when you need it? http://yfrog.com/86px1kj http://yfrog.com/86px1kj
- htsh 16y ago
  Is that the full standalone Safari or an embedded Safari within the twitter client? It looks like an embedded browser within the twitter client. On my iPod touch, if I left my twitter client to go to Safari, I could not come back to exactly where I was in tweetdeck. But I have not tried 4.0 in this regard.
  - siglesias 16y ago
    It's a fully functional browser that loads from the app, yes. All developers have this at their disposal. This isn't a problem precisely because apps rarely need to "leave" to display a browser. One just comes in modally, displays the content of a page, and that's that. If you were using a Twitter client that yanked you out of Twitter to show a site, you were using a bad client.
    - akmiller 16y ago
      Then I want to email the link to that page, so I have to open the full Safari, then do the email link which opens my mail client, then close the mail client which goes to my home screen, go find my twitter app and open back up to pick up where I left off! I like my iPhone but it has it's flaws just like any other device.
      - awolf 16y ago
        Nah, Tweetie (the iPhone Twitter client in the screenshots above) also has a built in email client for sending links. No need to leave the app. And yes in iOS 4 if you DID need to exit the app it would be in the state you left it when you returned.
      - siglesias 16y ago
Terretta 16y ago
> Do you really check for directions while on phone calls often? Perhaps it's just me, but people don't call me for directions that much. No, but people do call me and ask me for feedback on an email they just sent, and I'm able to look at it. They call me and ask me how a stream looks. And I'm able to play it. They call me and ask me if a web page is suitable to share with a client. I check and say it is. I work online. People call me about things that are online. If I'm at my desk, I'm using a landline. If I'm away from my desk, I'm not by a computer. So yes, my most common multitasking use case on my mobile phone is to look at something online while on the phone. While I can do that on Android on AT&T, I can't do that on Verizon.

by htsh 16y ago

nfg 16y ago

> "niggle" is troubling and slightly outdated, especially if you look up it's etymology. Could you expand on this? I can't find anything other than it dating to the 1500/1600s, probably from Norwegian "Nigla" (to be penurious) or cognate with "Niggardly". As with "niggardly" I don't think there's any racial connotation to the term other than its sound?

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htsh 16y ago
The word "niggardly" and it's cognates are not preferred language not just due to their phonetic similarity to a word which unfortunately has awful connotation, but also because sophomoric racists have unfortunately appropriated these terms to have this sort of racial meaning. I should have said "recent etymology" above. For this reason, magazines and newspapers avoid the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%2... (see the bottom) I might be dating myself here, but "niggardly" and "niggle" used to be used quite often to imply racial meaning even if none technically exists. Perhaps we shouldn't avoid the term just b/c some ignorant folks used them in racist ways, but in this case I don't see the harm in avoiding it considering there are so many other ways to say the same thing. Unfortunately, once racists use these words to mean something other than their dictionary definitions, you run the risk of raising eyebrows amongst people who may have experienced these terms in these secondary contexts. In England, this is likely a different story. And would you really use "niggardly" to describe something in America in 2010? Really?
- confuzatron 16y ago
  It just blows my mind that there exist people who would discourage the use of the word 'niggle' because of the fact that it is etymologically related to a word that sounds a bit like a derogatory term.
  - htsh 16y ago
    But you're ignoring the part about people using it in racist ways already. That's the rub here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggle http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggle
    - confuzatron 16y ago
      Urbandictionary! A palpable hit! I retire from the field of combat...
      - htsh 16y ago
        Out of the 15 definitions, 5 of them are extremely racist. Do you really doubt that American people have used the word "niggle" in various racist ways and that I have heard it used in these ways? I don't know what else to tell you, but some of these words have ugly histories outside of their dictionary definitions. I cited urbandictionary precisely b/c it's the best resource to illustrate to someone unfamiliar with street usage of some of these words. There's really no harm in avoiding it. It strikes me odd that people downvote this sort of thing, but it makes me happy that many folks here have never been exposed to this sort of nastiness.
        confuzatron 16y ago
        I would appreciate it if you would stop requesting people to not use a harmless word just because there are morons in the US who misuse it. I find it extremely offensive. Also, stop using the word 'black' please. Some of the definitions of that word on urbandictionary are racist, so therefore according to your laughable criteria the word is off limits. If people start using the word 'salad' in a racist way, do we have to stop using it? You have to be trolling. I'm too flabbergasted to continue this discussion.

siglesias 16y ago

No back navigation on iPhone from browser to Twitter? You mean this back button here that's only there when you need it? http://yfrog.com/86px1kj http://yfrog.com/86px1kj

htsh 16y ago
Is that the full standalone Safari or an embedded Safari within the twitter client? It looks like an embedded browser within the twitter client. On my iPod touch, if I left my twitter client to go to Safari, I could not come back to exactly where I was in tweetdeck. But I have not tried 4.0 in this regard.
- siglesias 16y ago
  It's a fully functional browser that loads from the app, yes. All developers have this at their disposal. This isn't a problem precisely because apps rarely need to "leave" to display a browser. One just comes in modally, displays the content of a page, and that's that. If you were using a Twitter client that yanked you out of Twitter to show a site, you were using a bad client.
  - akmiller 16y ago
    Then I want to email the link to that page, so I have to open the full Safari, then do the email link which opens my mail client, then close the mail client which goes to my home screen, go find my twitter app and open back up to pick up where I left off! I like my iPhone but it has it's flaws just like any other device.
    - awolf 16y ago
      Nah, Tweetie (the iPhone Twitter client in the screenshots above) also has a built in email client for sending links. No need to leave the app. And yes in iOS 4 if you DID need to exit the app it would be in the state you left it when you returned.
    - siglesias 16y ago

Terretta 16y ago

> Do you really check for directions while on phone calls often? Perhaps it's just me, but people don't call me for directions that much. No, but people do call me and ask me for feedback on an email they just sent, and I'm able to look at it. They call me and ask me how a stream looks. And I'm able to play it. They call me and ask me if a web page is suitable to share with a client. I check and say it is. I work online. People call me about things that are online. If I'm at my desk, I'm using a landline. If I'm away from my desk, I'm not by a computer. So yes, my most common multitasking use case on my mobile phone is to look at something online while on the phone. While I can do that on Android on AT&T, I can't do that on Verizon.