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> certainly not some small minority that is somehow manipulating parliament. The Catalan nationalist parties won the elections. Everyone knows that they are a

> certainly not some small minority that is somehow manipulating parliament. The Catalan nationalist parties won the elections. Everyone knows that they are a LOT of people (majority in most regions). There was no need send the police, unless you seek to look strong to your followers. Just like there was no need to declare the independence right now. Each party is forcing the other to the worst possible options.

kgwgk 9y ago
They nationalist parties got more seats in the parliament, but didn't get a majority of votes. They also had some kind of urgency to declare the independence, because shortly after the election (in November 2015) they said it would be done in 18 months. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11984516/Catalonias-parliament-votes-to-begin-setting-up-an-independent-state.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11984...
- alexandrerond 9y ago
  Keep in mind that Barcelona (with 4 million people, many of them from other regions) is not as pro-independence as the rest. If you take it out of the equation, or look at results per county or town, the thing looks way different: https://datos.elconfidencial.com/map1-independentismo-cataluna-27s/#8/41.927/1.945 https://datos.elconfidencial.com/map1-independentismo-catalu... This map shows yellow where pro-independence parties got more vote than the others. The tragedy of Catalonia is that the most populated areas are way less pro-independence than the rest of the land. Thus, nationalists only got 48% of total votes, despite winning (clearly) in most counties.
  - kgwgk 9y ago
    Yes, if you ignore the people who is not pro-independence, then the independentism is a clear majority. Maybe the situation would be less tragic if those nationalist counties had tried to declare independence from the Tarragona-Barcelona arc, the Aran Valley and the rest of Spain. For sure it would be more comic. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-union/a-split-within-a-split-the-catalan-valley-sticking-with-spain-idUSKBN1CE1D9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-...

kgwgk 9y ago

They nationalist parties got more seats in the parliament, but didn't get a majority of votes. They also had some kind of urgency to declare the independence, because shortly after the election (in November 2015) they said it would be done in 18 months. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11984516/Catalonias-parliament-votes-to-begin-setting-up-an-independent-state.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11984...

alexandrerond 9y ago
Keep in mind that Barcelona (with 4 million people, many of them from other regions) is not as pro-independence as the rest. If you take it out of the equation, or look at results per county or town, the thing looks way different: https://datos.elconfidencial.com/map1-independentismo-cataluna-27s/#8/41.927/1.945 https://datos.elconfidencial.com/map1-independentismo-catalu... This map shows yellow where pro-independence parties got more vote than the others. The tragedy of Catalonia is that the most populated areas are way less pro-independence than the rest of the land. Thus, nationalists only got 48% of total votes, despite winning (clearly) in most counties.
- kgwgk 9y ago
  Yes, if you ignore the people who is not pro-independence, then the independentism is a clear majority. Maybe the situation would be less tragic if those nationalist counties had tried to declare independence from the Tarragona-Barcelona arc, the Aran Valley and the rest of Spain. For sure it would be more comic. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-union/a-split-within-a-split-the-catalan-valley-sticking-with-spain-idUSKBN1CE1D9 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-...