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So you are not disputing that the people who appear to be police are genuinely police, or that they actually engaged in violence against people engaged in a (no
by logfromblammo 9y ago
So you are not disputing that the people who appear to be police are genuinely police, or that they actually engaged in violence against people engaged in a (nominally) peaceful protest against the authority of the national government? If a real cop really hit a person, and that resulted in real injury, that's not a fake video.
I think it's impressive that a Spanish cop can hold out for two hours of continuous abuse before breaking, but again, I'm used to American cops. Quite a lot of ours can maintain a professional demeanor for an entire shift of continual public abuse, maybe even for several days in a row, as might occur in a G20 protest or similar, but we also have some who will retaliate for frowning at them, or giving them "dehumanizing looks". Sometimes all it takes is just being there while black, or pointing a camera in their general direction.
The international--or at least Western European--expectation for police, as I understand it, is that a cop never breaks down and assaults a person who is not already violent or otherwise endangering the public, regardless of how unpleasant they may be in their non-violence. I'm pretty sure that would never work here. If you can't occasionally gun down a man in the streets just for looking at you funny, how can you expect to generate that pervading aura of absolute terror that keeps everyone nervously polite and law-abiding the rest of the time you're around?~
I'm sorry to tell you that cutting out the three hours of tension prior to the most-viewed portion of the video does not actually debunk it. You'll need to show one of the following:
- The police in the videos were not real police.
- The apparent victims became violent prior to the start of the video.
- The apparent victims were not as injured as they appeared to be.
If the video does show a real person assaulted and battered by a real cop for no reason considered valid under any theory of the ethical use of force, I don't know how you can realistically claim that it is fake or debunked. Good cops don't punch peaceful people in any country, no matter how rude or angry they get. They don't even punch the notorious criminals. They use the minimum amount of force necessary to preserve the peace, and do not allow their personal emotions to interfere with that duty.
- pvaldes 9y ago> The apparent victims were not as injured as they appeared to be "Policemen broke deliberately all my fingers one to one and throw me down the stairs". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYl054MItd8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYl054MItd8 Video shows later that policemen grab her by the right hand. For some reason the bandage is in her left hand. Hospital report explained later that one finger was "sored", I don't know the exact term for capsulitis in english but is not "broken". The other nine were, fortunately, fine. I let you to decide how to calificate the stairs part claim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zBwNifMxYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zBwNifMxYg
- logfromblammo 9y agoWell done. That's the type of counterargument I was looking for. I already suspected the "broke all my fingers, one by one" claim to be a gross exaggeration, at the least. The video itself did not support the claim, and it would seem easy enough to establish or disprove after the fact with hospital records. From what I saw, "they threw me down the stairs" is also obvious exaggeration. While it is not a preferred manner of descent, I think "they dragged/forced me down the stairs" would have been more accurate. It is still clear that police used force. It is not clear to me whether it was an appropriate use of force by Spanish or European standards. This is the sort of thing that is commonly accepted from American cops during protests, even though it is nominally unconstitutional for them to deprive people of their right to petition the government for redress under color of law. So I genuinely don't know whether that is the sort of thing that gets Spaniards angry at their government.