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It's interesting that the same technologies we use to preserve language (audio/film/text) are also largely the reason for their destruction. If you just have tw

It's interesting that the same technologies we use to preserve language (audio/film/text) are also largely the reason for their destruction. If you just have two people talking with each other in the woods there aren't any economies of scale, no 'best' version of Wikipedia, no Hollywood movies to watch, etc. While not related to language, except for one episode, NPR's archive of lost & found sound is also worth checking out: http://www.npr.org/sections/lost-found-sound/archive?date=9-30-2008 http://www.npr.org/sections/lost-found-sound/archive?date=9-...

nathancahill 9y ago
Along the same vein, worth checking out the archives of Alan Lomax. He spent 70 years collecting oral and folk music recordings across America, the Caribbean and the UK. Now in the Library of Congress[0]. Some of his recordings are famously sampled on Moby's Play album. [0] https://www.loc.gov/folklife/folkcat.html https://www.loc.gov/folklife/folkcat.html
- samstave 9y ago
  Oh man, those samples on minus album are amazing. When that album came out it was the only CD I had with me on a six month back-packing trip... memories - and those samples are brilliant
cortesoft 9y ago
I don't know, languages have been dying out for a lot longer than those technologies have been around. Languages die when the cultures who speak them either get assimilated or eradicated; I am not sure what technology has to do with that?
- boxy310 9y ago
  Before the printing press, there was dramatic variation in regional dialects of European nations. After the printing press, standardization and state centralization have been grinding these regional dialects into the ground. Even traditional regional languages like Irish or Scots Gaelic are going extinct.
  - beat 9y ago
    I live in a city with tens of thousands of east African immigrants (mostly Somali). It's fascinating to me, to hear the difference between how the adult Somalis speak, and how their children speak. The teenagers, having grown up here, speak in perfect, accent-free English. Will their children even speak Somali at all? (As an aside, I totally love my little window into Somali teenage girl culture, just from riding the train and sharing a neighborhood with them. Their fashions are incredible, and they're so energetic and happy. Somali teenage boys, on the other hand, are just as glum and faux-cool as teenage boys everywhere.)
    - gowld 9y ago
      > perfect, accent-free English. This is a myth. You mean they speak your local accent of English. > (As an aside, I totally love my little window into Somali teenage girl culture, just from riding the train and sharing a neighborhood with them. Their fashions are incredible, and they're so energetic and happy. Somali teenage boys, on the other hand, are just as glum and faux-cool as teenage boys everywhere.) Please don't be racist. Appreciate people without making convoluted assumptions about how their race and gender causes their behavior
      - khedoros1 9y ago
        > This is a myth. You mean they speak your local accent of English. It's the most natural way that comes to mind to say that they sound like the other local native speakers. > Please don't be racist. I don't see racism here. I see broad commentary about a local subculture.
    - stevekemp 9y ago
      This is how integration works, when it does. The parents might stick to their own country-men, but over time the children will be raised in the local-schools, speak the local language, watch the local TV, etc, etc.
  - HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
    It seems more likely to me that compulsory education conducted entirely in a "national language" is the culprit here. How many of these stories involve "we were beaten for talking in $LANGUAGE at school"?
- beat 9y ago
  Thanks to a college professor long ago, I'm firmly convinced that technological advancement is the main reason cultures get assimilated/eradicated. Or more to the point, new cultures rise with new technologies, and wipe out the previous ones. Along the same lines as my original comment and the source of this story, one of the most educational nights of my life was a lecture by a visiting professor from India. His research took him to the most remote villages, villages that had never experienced electricity before. He recorded their music, because the moment radios and tape players arrived, the local music was basically obliterated. And he felt guilt and shame, because while he was preserving it, he was also the nose in the tent - the first time they ever experienced recorded music.
  - golergka 9y ago
    When you say "obliterated", doesn't it really mean that people in these villages liked the music from the radio more than their local stuff? Why label people's preferences with such dramatic words?
    - umeshunni 9y ago
      >> people in these villages liked the music from the radio It could also be because (a) the low cost and availability of music on the radio (portable, on demand etc) was much higher than the availability of their native music which had to be played live by an artist. (b) the novelty of the 'outside' music or its sophistication due to the electronic instruments used etc could have temporarily make the local people to like the outside music long enough to stop making their own.
    - intended 9y ago
      Obliterated is appropriate. Even in India - the few members of animist religions in the nort east often feel poorly when having to deal with the more advanced religions like Christianity/Hinduism/Islam - there’s a level of outreach, funding, polish, prep, conversion techniques and arguments - essentially human pleasing sophistication, that other religions just have not had the time or resources to develop. You see similar things happen with food and fruits.

nathancahill 9y ago

Along the same vein, worth checking out the archives of Alan Lomax. He spent 70 years collecting oral and folk music recordings across America, the Caribbean and the UK. Now in the Library of Congress[0]. Some of his recordings are famously sampled on Moby's Play album. [0] https://www.loc.gov/folklife/folkcat.html https://www.loc.gov/folklife/folkcat.html

samstave 9y ago
Oh man, those samples on minus album are amazing. When that album came out it was the only CD I had with me on a six month back-packing trip... memories - and those samples are brilliant

cortesoft 9y ago

I don't know, languages have been dying out for a lot longer than those technologies have been around. Languages die when the cultures who speak them either get assimilated or eradicated; I am not sure what technology has to do with that?

boxy310 9y ago
Before the printing press, there was dramatic variation in regional dialects of European nations. After the printing press, standardization and state centralization have been grinding these regional dialects into the ground. Even traditional regional languages like Irish or Scots Gaelic are going extinct.
- beat 9y ago
  I live in a city with tens of thousands of east African immigrants (mostly Somali). It's fascinating to me, to hear the difference between how the adult Somalis speak, and how their children speak. The teenagers, having grown up here, speak in perfect, accent-free English. Will their children even speak Somali at all? (As an aside, I totally love my little window into Somali teenage girl culture, just from riding the train and sharing a neighborhood with them. Their fashions are incredible, and they're so energetic and happy. Somali teenage boys, on the other hand, are just as glum and faux-cool as teenage boys everywhere.)
  - gowld 9y ago
    > perfect, accent-free English. This is a myth. You mean they speak your local accent of English. > (As an aside, I totally love my little window into Somali teenage girl culture, just from riding the train and sharing a neighborhood with them. Their fashions are incredible, and they're so energetic and happy. Somali teenage boys, on the other hand, are just as glum and faux-cool as teenage boys everywhere.) Please don't be racist. Appreciate people without making convoluted assumptions about how their race and gender causes their behavior
    - khedoros1 9y ago
      > This is a myth. You mean they speak your local accent of English. It's the most natural way that comes to mind to say that they sound like the other local native speakers. > Please don't be racist. I don't see racism here. I see broad commentary about a local subculture.
  - stevekemp 9y ago
    This is how integration works, when it does. The parents might stick to their own country-men, but over time the children will be raised in the local-schools, speak the local language, watch the local TV, etc, etc.
- HumanDrivenDev 9y ago
  It seems more likely to me that compulsory education conducted entirely in a "national language" is the culprit here. How many of these stories involve "we were beaten for talking in $LANGUAGE at school"?
beat 9y ago
Thanks to a college professor long ago, I'm firmly convinced that technological advancement is the main reason cultures get assimilated/eradicated. Or more to the point, new cultures rise with new technologies, and wipe out the previous ones. Along the same lines as my original comment and the source of this story, one of the most educational nights of my life was a lecture by a visiting professor from India. His research took him to the most remote villages, villages that had never experienced electricity before. He recorded their music, because the moment radios and tape players arrived, the local music was basically obliterated. And he felt guilt and shame, because while he was preserving it, he was also the nose in the tent - the first time they ever experienced recorded music.
- golergka 9y ago
  When you say "obliterated", doesn't it really mean that people in these villages liked the music from the radio more than their local stuff? Why label people's preferences with such dramatic words?
  - umeshunni 9y ago
    >> people in these villages liked the music from the radio It could also be because (a) the low cost and availability of music on the radio (portable, on demand etc) was much higher than the availability of their native music which had to be played live by an artist. (b) the novelty of the 'outside' music or its sophistication due to the electronic instruments used etc could have temporarily make the local people to like the outside music long enough to stop making their own.
  - intended 9y ago
    Obliterated is appropriate. Even in India - the few members of animist religions in the nort east often feel poorly when having to deal with the more advanced religions like Christianity/Hinduism/Islam - there’s a level of outreach, funding, polish, prep, conversion techniques and arguments - essentially human pleasing sophistication, that other religions just have not had the time or resources to develop. You see similar things happen with food and fruits.