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This might be right. But also note that Spain already features a lot of decentralization and Catalonia is at the head of this. This is very illustrative https:

This might be right. But also note that Spain already features a lot of decentralization and Catalonia is at the head of this. This is very illustrative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spain#Competences_of_the_autonomous_governments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spai...

kilburn 9y ago
Take that chart with a grain of salt. Notice the text above it: > In some cases the autonomous community may have exclusive responsibility for the administration of a policy area but may only have executive (i.e.,carries out) powers as far as the policy itself is concerned, meaning it must enforce policy and laws decided at the national level. There is no indication of which competences are only executive and which are legislative, whereas there's a huge difference between those in practice. Also, Spain can enact laws "overriding" the transferred competences at their will...
- harperlee 9y ago
  > Spain can enact laws "overriding" the transferred competences at their will So is Europe. Does not mean that Spain or Catalonia don't have powers on the topic.
jernfrost 9y ago
Norway and Sweden was once in a union, and my home country Norway certainly had a lot of autonomy, yet independence brough a lot of advantages. I don't think anybody in Norway today would think staying with Sweden would have been a good idea. Nordic countries have all been together at some point, but I think we are much happier as independent countries. We do lots of cooperation anyway and have very open borders towards each other. I don't get why it is so dam important for many people to retain huge political unions. What is so great about being big? This idea that we will be so much happier, peaceful and friendlier if we are all just one country is easily proven wrong by the good relationship all nordic countries have with each other. People try to perpetuate the idea that WWI and WWII started because people were too much into nation states. Quite the contrary, neither war would have started had not Germany and Italy been forged into bigger political units in the first place. Ultimately all these wars is a result of the poisoned thinking that big is always better. It is the expansionist mindset which is at fault here, not a desire to be independent.
- Grustaf 9y ago
  >I don't get why it is so dam important for many people to retain huge political unions. What is so great about being big? Well the political leaders want to have more resources to play with, and financial elites want bigger unified markets. As to the populace they don't tend to be very pro integration. At least not until they've been bribed or convinced with beautiful visions of a prosperous future.

kilburn 9y ago

Take that chart with a grain of salt. Notice the text above it: > In some cases the autonomous community may have exclusive responsibility for the administration of a policy area but may only have executive (i.e.,carries out) powers as far as the policy itself is concerned, meaning it must enforce policy and laws decided at the national level. There is no indication of which competences are only executive and which are legislative, whereas there's a huge difference between those in practice. Also, Spain can enact laws "overriding" the transferred competences at their will...

harperlee 9y ago
> Spain can enact laws "overriding" the transferred competences at their will So is Europe. Does not mean that Spain or Catalonia don't have powers on the topic.

jernfrost 9y ago

Norway and Sweden was once in a union, and my home country Norway certainly had a lot of autonomy, yet independence brough a lot of advantages. I don't think anybody in Norway today would think staying with Sweden would have been a good idea. Nordic countries have all been together at some point, but I think we are much happier as independent countries. We do lots of cooperation anyway and have very open borders towards each other. I don't get why it is so dam important for many people to retain huge political unions. What is so great about being big? This idea that we will be so much happier, peaceful and friendlier if we are all just one country is easily proven wrong by the good relationship all nordic countries have with each other. People try to perpetuate the idea that WWI and WWII started because people were too much into nation states. Quite the contrary, neither war would have started had not Germany and Italy been forged into bigger political units in the first place. Ultimately all these wars is a result of the poisoned thinking that big is always better. It is the expansionist mindset which is at fault here, not a desire to be independent.

Grustaf 9y ago
>I don't get why it is so dam important for many people to retain huge political unions. What is so great about being big? Well the political leaders want to have more resources to play with, and financial elites want bigger unified markets. As to the populace they don't tend to be very pro integration. At least not until they've been bribed or convinced with beautiful visions of a prosperous future.