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I didn't frame anyone. I just said that the people calling the shots in this conflict are nationalists. In fact, I'm saying the majority of non-nationalistic p

I didn't frame anyone. I just said that the people calling the shots in this conflict are nationalists. In fact, I'm saying the majority of non-nationalistic people are just hostages in this fight, which are only good to convert more people to the cause.

narag 9y ago
No, the people in spanish gov are not nationalists. I have a lot of bad things to say against Rajoy but nationalist is not one. And no, non-nationalists are not hostages. We are sick and tired of nationalism and most of us would have wanted the government to react much sooner to the abuses, specially the non-nationalists living in Catalonia that are the ones that have suffered this situation more directly.
- tirant 9y ago
  I don't know under what prism you do not consider the PP party not nationalists, when they are the direct successors of the Spanish National Catolicism movement that ruled Spain under Franco's dictatorship.
  - albertredneck 9y ago
    This is just your opinion, man. History is history and you cannot abuse it to explain everything. We know that already, history manipulation is one basic tool for every fascism ever.
  - narag 9y ago
    Do you know what? I was there, I saw the transition, I saw the people and I saw the evolution. What you say is not even wrong. It's just nonsense. PP is a standard conservative party, equivalent to Puigdemont's CiU (now PDCAT) and that has been in the government with the support of CiU for years, during Aznar times. PP turned a blind eye to catalonian nationalists' abuses when they needed them to keep power. Now they're starting to see the consequences. Rajoy must be the laziest prime minister the world has seen. He wouldn't move a finger without absolute need for it. Even in this dramatic situtation he has hold his breath until he was risking stiff penal prosecution for himself had he not acted!! Suggesting he is promoting the escalating is not only untrue, it's ridiculous.
tassl 9y ago
You are confusing independence with nationalism. You can be pro-independence without being nationalist.

narag 9y ago

No, the people in spanish gov are not nationalists. I have a lot of bad things to say against Rajoy but nationalist is not one. And no, non-nationalists are not hostages. We are sick and tired of nationalism and most of us would have wanted the government to react much sooner to the abuses, specially the non-nationalists living in Catalonia that are the ones that have suffered this situation more directly.

tirant 9y ago
I don't know under what prism you do not consider the PP party not nationalists, when they are the direct successors of the Spanish National Catolicism movement that ruled Spain under Franco's dictatorship.
- albertredneck 9y ago
  This is just your opinion, man. History is history and you cannot abuse it to explain everything. We know that already, history manipulation is one basic tool for every fascism ever.
- narag 9y ago
  Do you know what? I was there, I saw the transition, I saw the people and I saw the evolution. What you say is not even wrong. It's just nonsense. PP is a standard conservative party, equivalent to Puigdemont's CiU (now PDCAT) and that has been in the government with the support of CiU for years, during Aznar times. PP turned a blind eye to catalonian nationalists' abuses when they needed them to keep power. Now they're starting to see the consequences. Rajoy must be the laziest prime minister the world has seen. He wouldn't move a finger without absolute need for it. Even in this dramatic situtation he has hold his breath until he was risking stiff penal prosecution for himself had he not acted!! Suggesting he is promoting the escalating is not only untrue, it's ridiculous.

tassl 9y ago

You are confusing independence with nationalism. You can be pro-independence without being nationalist.