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Yes, some people are panicking. But also the fact that local grievances did exist before the Russians tried to use them does not tell us a lot. On the other ha
by tpm 9y ago
Yes, some people are panicking. But also the fact that local grievances did exist before the Russians tried to use them does not tell us a lot.
On the other hand, there is stuff like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Montenegrin_crisis#Coup_d.27.C3.A9tat_attempt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Montenegrin_cr...
- emodendroket 9y agoOK, but Montenegro is a small, relatively poor country in the former Soviet bloc. It's a bit more of a lift to create essentially every protest movement in the United States of the past decade. And accusing every protest movement of being unwitting dupes of the Russians also has the effect of delegitimizing all of them.
- tpm 9y agoAnd a twist of irony is that the Russians are doing exactly the same - every protest movement, from ecology to lgbt rights to mothers of soldiers killed in wars that officially do not exist, is accused of being an agent of outside forces. Yes, Montenegro is a small country that was about to join NATO at that time. Then you see the Russians befriending and supporting with finances, media coverage, bot and troll farms basically every far-right and/or independence movement across Europe, from Le Pen in France, FPO in Austria, AfD in Germany - again, this is well documented - to recent Catalonia independence events, where e.g. Assange was very vocal - and it's not always easy to stay cool.
- emodendroket 9y agoIt really must have taken a lot of foresight for Vladimir Putin to establish a distinct language and culture in Catalonia a thousand years ago, all in a bid to destabilize Spain.
- tpm 9y agoNow you are distorting my words and that is not a way to have a good conversation.