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> indoctrination of former children that now can vote. That's an odd way to refer to that thing parents do when raising their kids. We call it 'talking' to the
by _jal 9y ago
> indoctrination of former children that now can vote.
That's an odd way to refer to that thing parents do when raising their kids. We call it 'talking' to them.
You make it sound so sinister - almost like parents were passing on their religion or something.
- gonvaled 9y agoOnly the other side indoctrinates, didn´t you know that!?
- ben_w 9y agoIt’s one of those irregular verbs, isn’t it? I pass on my values, you tell fairytales, they indoctrinate their young.
- gonvaled 9y agoExcellent! Do you have more irregular verbs?
- ben_w 9y agoHow about: * I am religious, you are holier-than-thou, they are extremist fundamentalists * I am sexually experienced, you are kinky, they are being charged under section 70 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 * I write self-documenting code, you need more comments, their code is unreadable
- nobodyorother 9y agoHey, that sounds like the sort of thing an indoctrinated othersider would say...
- harperlee 9y agoWell I am referring to public schools. Public schools are controlled by the local government, and there are lots of complaints that options for parents that want teaching in Spanish for their children, for example, are close to non-existing. The teaching language is mandatorily Catalan until age 12, and then onwards chosen by the teacher, which is appointed by the local government. If you want education that resembles what is taught in public schools of the rest of the country, you need to pay for it.
- phaemon 9y agoThat seems reasonable enough. If you're going to live in Catelonia, then it seems right that you should learn Catalan. How exactly is learning a language "indoctrination"? Are children indoctrinated when they're taught through Spanish?
- alvatar 9y agoIt's not limited to that. I agree that you should be able to learn in Catalan (but have the option of Spanish too). Visit the Catalan wikipedia, and you'll see how History is changed there with respect other Wikipedias. Read their books to see the bias in the way History is told. Indoctrination is a message with a "them and us" message that polarizes society, and has successfully done so. We all know words can be used in ways that can build a way of thinking of a generation. Well, those words are in the education system.
- phaemon 9y agoOnce again, vague accusations with no concrete examples. I'm not convinced. Sounds like you just have a bias against Catalonia.
- alvatar 9y agoI do have a bias against independentism/nationalism because I've lived through it. I cannot give concrete documents about this because there aren't such. Contrary to police violence of which there are. You don't have to be convinced, I'm just trying to express my opinion, not trying to convince anyone of who is better or worse here. But I can confidently assert that there are no "good and bad" in this story, just a war between two different stories with lots of falsehoods in both sides.
- alvatar 9y agoShould I infer from the downvote that the general consensus is that there are a good and a bad sides in this story then? I'm interested in knowing if that's the case. I have a hard time otherwise understanding the downvote, unless is someone downvoting anything that doesn't defend the Catalonian independentist movement downright. Sorry, there are social circumstances which are very difficult to see and document, believe it or not.
- gepi79 9y agoBecause "national pride" and "duty to fight for (economic) freedom" can be taught by your parents, schools and local culture as noble, absolute values and goals unrelated to any reason and discussion.