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Everyone keeps talking about the constitution as if it is set in stone. The constitution was made by people, 50 years ago. It can and should be changed to ref

by psadri 9y ago

Everyone keeps talking about the constitution as if it is set in stone. The constitution was made by people, 50 years ago. It can and should be changed to reflect new realities.

mtmail 9y ago
And those people probably put in rules on how to change it, e.g. two-third majority vote.
nemo44x 9y ago
Then change the constitution instead of blithely ignoring it and conducting an illegal election.
- setzer22 9y ago
  Catalonia has, unfortunately, 0 power in changing the Spanish constitution. It's up to Spain's good will to do so. And we have seen enough examples of such will.
  - simion314 9y ago
    Did they tried? I did nto read that they proposed it and had a referendum about changing it.
Ygg2 9y ago
The new reality is that Spain is probably going bankrupt.
- narag 9y ago
  Nonsense. Most of the big companies have left Catalonia last month. Half of Catalonia population doesn't want independence. Rule of law will be restored in a few weeks and all the thugs that have promoted this idiocy will be jailed. Edit: to the person responding, you only see what you want to see. Police acted according to judiciary orders and there were no deaths and just a handful of injured people. Try to resist police in any other civilized country and see what you get. Edit2: did you see the idiot father charging against the police with a child in his shoulders? did you see the police reaction? or the man that knocked inconscious a policeman throwing a chair at him? or the one kicking a fallen policeman in the head without provocation? did you know that most of the charges footage are old from mossos, not spanish police, from Chile or other countries? Or the girl saying she was tortured and forgot in what arm were the fingers supposedly broken? Real injured numbers are literally a handful, even The Guardian had to admit they've been duped. Of course nothing near the 800 mentioned in propaganda. Oh and keep downvoting, you can't downvote facts and they0re surfacing now.
  - smcl 9y ago
    The only thugs I saw were the police beating people up
  - smcl 9y ago
    Listen to yourself! So I didn’t see anyone getting beat up by the police? But if I DID see that then it was OK because they were ordered to?
  - dang 9y ago
    Please don't break the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment is problematic because you crossed into incivility. Pugilistic comments on divisive topics produce conflagrations. Those are all the same on the internet and therefore they are all boring and therefore we don't want them here. Since this thread has managed to remain relatively civil despite people being on opposing sides of the issue, a comment like this does more relative damage even than it usually would. That's probably the reason for the downvotes. The guidelines also ask people not to go on about downvoting, so please don't do that either.
  - tom_mellior 9y ago
    > The Guardian had to admit they've been duped. Link please?
  - deleted 9y ago
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by psadri 9y ago

Everyone keeps talking about the constitution as if it is set in stone. The constitution was made by people, 50 years ago. It can and should be changed to reflect new realities.

mtmail 9y ago

And those people probably put in rules on how to change it, e.g. two-third majority vote.

nemo44x 9y ago

Then change the constitution instead of blithely ignoring it and conducting an illegal election.

setzer22 9y ago
Catalonia has, unfortunately, 0 power in changing the Spanish constitution. It's up to Spain's good will to do so. And we have seen enough examples of such will.
- simion314 9y ago
  Did they tried? I did nto read that they proposed it and had a referendum about changing it.

Ygg2 9y ago

The new reality is that Spain is probably going bankrupt.

narag 9y ago
Nonsense. Most of the big companies have left Catalonia last month. Half of Catalonia population doesn't want independence. Rule of law will be restored in a few weeks and all the thugs that have promoted this idiocy will be jailed. Edit: to the person responding, you only see what you want to see. Police acted according to judiciary orders and there were no deaths and just a handful of injured people. Try to resist police in any other civilized country and see what you get. Edit2: did you see the idiot father charging against the police with a child in his shoulders? did you see the police reaction? or the man that knocked inconscious a policeman throwing a chair at him? or the one kicking a fallen policeman in the head without provocation? did you know that most of the charges footage are old from mossos, not spanish police, from Chile or other countries? Or the girl saying she was tortured and forgot in what arm were the fingers supposedly broken? Real injured numbers are literally a handful, even The Guardian had to admit they've been duped. Of course nothing near the 800 mentioned in propaganda. Oh and keep downvoting, you can't downvote facts and they0re surfacing now.
- smcl 9y ago
  The only thugs I saw were the police beating people up
- smcl 9y ago
  Listen to yourself! So I didn’t see anyone getting beat up by the police? But if I DID see that then it was OK because they were ordered to?
- dang 9y ago
  Please don't break the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Your comment is problematic because you crossed into incivility. Pugilistic comments on divisive topics produce conflagrations. Those are all the same on the internet and therefore they are all boring and therefore we don't want them here. Since this thread has managed to remain relatively civil despite people being on opposing sides of the issue, a comment like this does more relative damage even than it usually would. That's probably the reason for the downvotes. The guidelines also ask people not to go on about downvoting, so please don't do that either.
- tom_mellior 9y ago
  > The Guardian had to admit they've been duped. Link please?
- deleted 9y ago
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