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> Since Russia is activaly trying to destabilise "the West" This is what happens when we allow CNN to broadcast. They radicalize the population and turn them i
by smokeyj 9y ago
> Since Russia is activaly trying to destabilise "the West"
This is what happens when we allow CNN to broadcast. They radicalize the population and turn them into fanatics.
It's funny how Russia became an existential threat immediately after the elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/03/20/flashback-obamas-debate-zinger-on-romneys-1980s-foreign-policy/?utm_term=.aa140f14af8e https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/03/...
- tpm 9y agoNot sure what are you talking about and also what the article has to do with that. Russia is actively interfering with politics in many European countries, including the one I live in. It's pretty well documented too. It's sad the Americans have woken up to that threat only after it was too late, but I can assure it is very real.
- emodendroket 9y agoI can't blame anyone for skepticism because the press has taken leave of their senses and begun blaming Russia for everything from Black Lives Matter to the Standing Rock protests to the Catalonian Independent Movement, as though there were no local grievances involved in any of these matters until the Russians stepped in. And the stories about Russians swaying the US election with $100K in Facebook ads just seem completely beyond belief given the mind-melting amount of money spent on the election.
- tpm 9y agoYes, some people are panicking. But also the fact that local grievances did exist before the Russians tried to use them does not tell us a lot. On the other hand, there is stuff like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Montenegrin_crisis#Coup_d.27.C3.A9tat_attempt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_Montenegrin_cr...
- emodendroket 9y agoOK, but Montenegro is a small, relatively poor country in the former Soviet bloc. It's a bit more of a lift to create essentially every protest movement in the United States of the past decade. And accusing every protest movement of being unwitting dupes of the Russians also has the effect of delegitimizing all of them.
- tpm 9y agoAnd a twist of irony is that the Russians are doing exactly the same - every protest movement, from ecology to lgbt rights to mothers of soldiers killed in wars that officially do not exist, is accused of being an agent of outside forces. Yes, Montenegro is a small country that was about to join NATO at that time. Then you see the Russians befriending and supporting with finances, media coverage, bot and troll farms basically every far-right and/or independence movement across Europe, from Le Pen in France, FPO in Austria, AfD in Germany - again, this is well documented - to recent Catalonia independence events, where e.g. Assange was very vocal - and it's not always easy to stay cool.
- emodendroket 9y agoIt really must have taken a lot of foresight for Vladimir Putin to establish a distinct language and culture in Catalonia a thousand years ago, all in a bid to destabilize Spain.
- tpm 9y agoNow you are distorting my words and that is not a way to have a good conversation.
- smokeyj 9y agoRussia is actively interfering in politics so we should resort to burning books. Yeah what could go wrong. Next we'll start accusing people of being communists.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
- emodendroket 9y agoYes, we really are seeing a kind of new Red Scare, and I feel like it's going to blow up in Democrats' faces.
- richardknop 9y agoYes, Russia is actively interfering with internal politics of many Eastern European countries (I'm from one). But I have a surprise for you, US is interfering as much if not a lot more.