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That probably would have been the better move as far as "optics" are concerned, but the Spanish constitution states that this kind of referendum is illegal. In

That probably would have been the better move as far as "optics" are concerned, but the Spanish constitution states that this kind of referendum is illegal. In any case -- I think the ruling party in Spain wanted this to flare up so they could consolidate political support during the next election, since most of Spain is adamantly opposed to Catalan independence.

ryanlol 9y ago
Not true. It states that this kind of a referendum is invalid.
- chrisbrowning 9y ago
  I won't split hairs with you on that, but -- right or wrong -- Spain's Constitutional Court ordered the referendum stopped, and the Spanish government moved to enforce that order.
eumenides1 9y ago
As a Canadian kid, i never understood why they would let Quebec go through with a referendum. Seems insane to just "divorce" a country (for lack of better words). As i grew up, i thought it was pretty progressive to allow it. As an adult, it seems like the only logical tactical option. A lot of people will claim that it isn't legal. They will be right. But their constitution wasn't written with modern times in mind. <b>Without violence</b>, how is Spain going to stop Catalan from succeeding? What if Catalan gets violent? How will Spain respond? There are very few good moves left here for Spain.
- gsnedders 9y ago
  > But their constitution wasn't written with modern times in mind. 1978 really wasn't that long ago. I'd call 1978 modern times!
  - kobeya 9y ago
    It was coming out of a fascist dictatorship at the height of the Cold War. I’d say the context was pretty far removed from the modern EU, even if it was in living memory.
  - tomjen3 9y ago
    Counterpoint: it is only a year after their facist dictator died: Germany in 45 and 95 were very different places.
    - kgwgk 9y ago
      1978-1975=3
- pvaldes 9y ago
  > Without violence, how is Spain going to stop Catalan from succeeding? Empire of Law.

ryanlol 9y ago

Not true. It states that this kind of a referendum is invalid.

chrisbrowning 9y ago
I won't split hairs with you on that, but -- right or wrong -- Spain's Constitutional Court ordered the referendum stopped, and the Spanish government moved to enforce that order.

eumenides1 9y ago

As a Canadian kid, i never understood why they would let Quebec go through with a referendum. Seems insane to just "divorce" a country (for lack of better words). As i grew up, i thought it was pretty progressive to allow it. As an adult, it seems like the only logical tactical option. A lot of people will claim that it isn't legal. They will be right. But their constitution wasn't written with modern times in mind. <b>Without violence</b>, how is Spain going to stop Catalan from succeeding? What if Catalan gets violent? How will Spain respond? There are very few good moves left here for Spain.

gsnedders 9y ago
> But their constitution wasn't written with modern times in mind. 1978 really wasn't that long ago. I'd call 1978 modern times!
- kobeya 9y ago
  It was coming out of a fascist dictatorship at the height of the Cold War. I’d say the context was pretty far removed from the modern EU, even if it was in living memory.
- tomjen3 9y ago
  Counterpoint: it is only a year after their facist dictator died: Germany in 45 and 95 were very different places.
  - kgwgk 9y ago
    1978-1975=3
pvaldes 9y ago
> Without violence, how is Spain going to stop Catalan from succeeding? Empire of Law.