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To add to that, the validity of the votes are questionable in the first place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_referendum,_2017#International

To add to that, the validity of the votes are questionable in the first place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_referendum,_2017#International_observers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_referendu... > Due to the many irregularities and to the actions taken by the national police and civil guard, the international observers, invited by the Generalitat, declared that the referendum results could not be considered valid as the process failed to meet the minimum international standards for elections. IMO the Catalan government just lost any legitimacy they might have hoped to have by declaring independence prematurely.

tomp 9y ago
I'm guessing "national police" referrs to Spanish police and their brutal suppression of the voting, not Catalan police.
- alvatar 9y ago
  You say "brutal suppression" based on the images you saw in the media, right?
  - 6t6t6t6 9y ago
    Pictures are easy to manipulate. Videos, not so much: https://spanishpolice.github.io/ https://spanishpolice.github.io/
    - alvatar 9y ago
      Videos are taken mostly by those out in the streets, so there are obviously biased towards one side. Is it so hard to believe that both sides exert some kind of violence? Do you really believe that one side is entirely pacifist and the other is aggressive? That kind of narrative should be hard to believe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_g4-4fMoMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_g4-4fMoMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ak9224HG_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ak9224HG_E
- kgwgk 9y ago
  Of course, the Catalan police is the regional police.