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im talking about storing information. to be sure that someone is real, collect tons of info and then get rid of most of it and tag their account with a validati

im talking about storing information. to be sure that someone is real, collect tons of info and then get rid of most of it and tag their account with a validation stamp. store just enough info so that two people having identical sets of that info is almost impossible. and im not saying ssn or any other peice of info is the best solution -- obviously it would be anything and everything tailored for whatever systems the persons country of residence currently maintains. as for exploitation, i think it would be simple to make exploitation rare as long as good id systems are implemented by the government or other entities. it would certainly be better than having an internet where its impossible to verify if someone is a human or a robot...

ben_w 9y ago
“Almost impossible“ isn’t good enough. “Almost impossible” is why two women in Floria have the same SSN: born the same day, same state, almost the same name (Joanna and Joannie Rivera), and why they were not even the example I had in mind when I googled for a similar story I’d heard a decade earlier. And if your goal is just “is this a human or a machine?”, well, let me introduce you to the idea of identity theft, and why people stole all that data from Equifax. The only way to tell humans and bots apart is some form of automated Turing test, hence Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart.
- wheresmyusern 9y ago
  in fact turing tests will be useless at some point, which is the whole basis of my speculation about alternatives to it as i originally stated. dont you agree that captchas will become obsolete at some point? what then?
  - ben_w 9y ago
    If Turing tests become obsolete, we will have human level AI and the bots will be granted personhood. That’s the point of the test.
    - wheresmyusern 9y ago
      captchas are turing tests. their purpose is not to grant personhood to robots. captcha will be totally broken well before machines become sentient.
      - ben_w 9y ago
        Turing tests are, by definition, the thing which if a computer passes all of then they are a person.

ben_w 9y ago

“Almost impossible“ isn’t good enough. “Almost impossible” is why two women in Floria have the same SSN: born the same day, same state, almost the same name (Joanna and Joannie Rivera), and why they were not even the example I had in mind when I googled for a similar story I’d heard a decade earlier. And if your goal is just “is this a human or a machine?”, well, let me introduce you to the idea of identity theft, and why people stole all that data from Equifax. The only way to tell humans and bots apart is some form of automated Turing test, hence Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart.

wheresmyusern 9y ago
in fact turing tests will be useless at some point, which is the whole basis of my speculation about alternatives to it as i originally stated. dont you agree that captchas will become obsolete at some point? what then?
- ben_w 9y ago
  If Turing tests become obsolete, we will have human level AI and the bots will be granted personhood. That’s the point of the test.
  - wheresmyusern 9y ago
    captchas are turing tests. their purpose is not to grant personhood to robots. captcha will be totally broken well before machines become sentient.
    - ben_w 9y ago
      Turing tests are, by definition, the thing which if a computer passes all of then they are a person.