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I'll tell you why. Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. However the favorite tactic of American left lately has been calling any

by Grue3 9y ago

I'll tell you why. Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. However the favorite tactic of American left lately has been calling anyone who they disagree with a Nazi. For example most people are probably politically to the right to the likes of Anthony Fantano or Laci Green. And yet both of them have been unironically branded Nazis, as a quick Twitter search will confirm. So yeah, if you haven't been already, somebody's probably going to brand you a Nazi at some point and call for your banning from every social platform, no matter how "woke" you think you are. It's just a fact of life.

thraxil 9y ago
> I'll tell you why. Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. I do seem to recall a certain presidential candidate calling Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama founders of ISIS... Painting all Muslim or even brown people as ISIS or terrorists is a pretty common rhetorical tactic of the right.
- breakingcups 9y ago
  I still can't fathom the gravity of your first sentence. What it seems to imply about the majority of voting Americans and humanity in general. What a mess.
- slededit 9y ago
  > I do seem to recall a certain presidential candidate calling Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama founders of ISIS... The clear and obvious intent of that sentence was to imply their policies allowed ISIS to exist, and that they would not exist had the power vacuum not been created. This new literal reading of everything is just another part of the decline of our political discourse.
  - thraxil 9y ago
    When Hugh Hewitt suggested that Trump only meant it that way, Trump objected: "No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton." Trump then explicitly disagreed with that "clear and obvious intent" re a power vacuum: HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say. DT: Well, I disagree. http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/#more-31501 http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/#m...
pjc50 9y ago
> Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. Pause for a moment to consider how dumb such an easily falsifiable statement is before posting it to HN.
- Grue3 9y ago
  Do you post this kind of comment for any hyperbolic statement, or only this one in particular? Because you can do it all day long. I'm pretty sure you understood perfectly well what my point is.
  - pjc50 9y ago
    Hyperbolic statements about supporting ISIS have been thrown around a lot and used to support things like the "muslim ban" on immigration. There's a serious problem with people being wrongly accused of supporting terrorism. With actual consequences for the wrongly accused. What was your point anyway?

by Grue3 9y ago

thraxil 9y ago

> I'll tell you why. Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. I do seem to recall a certain presidential candidate calling Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama founders of ISIS... Painting all Muslim or even brown people as ISIS or terrorists is a pretty common rhetorical tactic of the right.

breakingcups 9y ago
I still can't fathom the gravity of your first sentence. What it seems to imply about the majority of voting Americans and humanity in general. What a mess.
slededit 9y ago
> I do seem to recall a certain presidential candidate calling Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama founders of ISIS... The clear and obvious intent of that sentence was to imply their policies allowed ISIS to exist, and that they would not exist had the power vacuum not been created. This new literal reading of everything is just another part of the decline of our political discourse.
- thraxil 9y ago
  When Hugh Hewitt suggested that Trump only meant it that way, Trump objected: "No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton." Trump then explicitly disagreed with that "clear and obvious intent" re a power vacuum: HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say. DT: Well, I disagree. http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/#more-31501 http://www.hughhewitt.com/donald-trump-makes-return-visit/#m...

pjc50 9y ago

> Nobody who isn't an ISIS member has ever been called an ISIS member. Pause for a moment to consider how dumb such an easily falsifiable statement is before posting it to HN.

Grue3 9y ago
Do you post this kind of comment for any hyperbolic statement, or only this one in particular? Because you can do it all day long. I'm pretty sure you understood perfectly well what my point is.
- pjc50 9y ago
  Hyperbolic statements about supporting ISIS have been thrown around a lot and used to support things like the "muslim ban" on immigration. There's a serious problem with people being wrongly accused of supporting terrorism. With actual consequences for the wrongly accused. What was your point anyway?