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I live in Georgia too, so I'm trying to understand the point of your comment in the context of this server wipe. Kennesaw is not far outside the Perimeter. I'

by crusso 9y ago

I live in Georgia too, so I'm trying to understand the point of your comment in the context of this server wipe. Kennesaw is not far outside the Perimeter. I'd guess it counts as "Atlanta". Why do you wish we had two states? Can diverse cultural elements in a state not come together to act in concert? What does that say about the whole notion of trying to increase "diversity"? City vs rural, liberal vs conservative... I find that those aren't the important dichotomies that you use to judge the health of a culture or society. It's integrity vs corruption.

scarface74 9y ago
The state government is still very conservative because it represent rural Georgia far more than the population would call for. That’s partially because of gerrymandering and partially because of the way that most state governments and the federal government was designed. Can diverse cultural elements come together and act in concert? Probably not. Why would a former factory worker in south Ga that has seen factories shut down left and right and go overseas and be taken over by automation ever see things the same way as someone in tech in Atlanta who hasn’t been affected? I think the whole 12 years of going to school, I never went to class with a non native English speaker. If your only exposure to any other culture is what you see on TV and never work side by side with people of different cultures, it probably is easier to believe that all Mexicans are rapists, and all Muslims are sitting around at home thinking about how they can kill infidels. Like minded people tend to cluster together and self segregate.
- ainiriand 9y ago
  I deeply agree with your comment. I think that it can be applied to rural Spain too. It is a symptom of this 2-speed way of living. As I write this I am surrounded at work by a Polish, Romanian, French and Irish. The richness you get from this interactions cannot be surpassed by the TV or the Twitter echo chamber.
- crusso 9y ago
  The state government is still very conservative because it represent rural Georgia far more than the population would call for You say that like it's a bad thing. Georgia is 47th in the nation in terms of per-capita debt. It boasts the busiest airport in the world, a thriving economy, a thriving tech community, a robust media culture, arguably the best bargain engineering degree in the world at Georgia Tech, a huge influx of outside influences over the past few decades - yielding a great deal of diversity and cosmopolitan attitudes. Despite some cultural divides between Atlanta downtown and rural Georgia, the state seems to function really well. The state shows that you can have a mix of cultures without perpetual racial clashes, like you see in Missouri, Maryland, etc. Why would a former factory worker in south Ga that has seen factories shut down left and right and go overseas and be taken over by automation ever see things the same way as someone in tech in Atlanta who hasn’t been affected? They don't have to see things the exact same way. They certainly don't need a one-size-fits-all heavy-handed government solution to their diverse problem sets. The rural guy in Georgia whose job disappeared needs to find some new work and think about his future. I've moved multiple times across the country for jobs.... he can too, if necessary. Maybe he needs to further his education. Georgia has a fairly good university system. If his kids need education, there's the lottery-funded Hope Scholarship. With just a modest amount of work to keep your grades up, the Hope Scholarship funds 75% to 100% of your tuition! Like minded people tend to cluster together and self segregate. And that's a good thing? Societies that balkanize rip themselves apart. History is replete with examples. Why would we want the same thing here where we have a success story to tell the world about?
  - scarface74 9y ago
    Societies that balkanize rip themselves apart. History is replete with examples. Why would we want the same thing here where we have a success story to tell the world about? I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it's a thing. As far as "success story". Things aren't too "successful" in places like Albany Ga - where factories have left, was once rated the murder capital of the US, and is consistently rated as one of the poorest cities in the US. GA has both one of the poorest cities in America (Albany) and one of the wealthiest cities (Johns Creek) and one of the wealthiest counties (Forsyth County). Everything that you tout about GA isn't benefiting areas outside of metro Atlanta. I've spent half my life in South Ga and the other half in metro Atlanta. It's two completely different worlds as far as opportunity, outlook, and world view. But if you were gay, Muslim, etc. where would you rather live, Tyty Ga or Atlanta?

by crusso 9y ago

scarface74 9y ago

The state government is still very conservative because it represent rural Georgia far more than the population would call for. That’s partially because of gerrymandering and partially because of the way that most state governments and the federal government was designed. Can diverse cultural elements come together and act in concert? Probably not. Why would a former factory worker in south Ga that has seen factories shut down left and right and go overseas and be taken over by automation ever see things the same way as someone in tech in Atlanta who hasn’t been affected? I think the whole 12 years of going to school, I never went to class with a non native English speaker. If your only exposure to any other culture is what you see on TV and never work side by side with people of different cultures, it probably is easier to believe that all Mexicans are rapists, and all Muslims are sitting around at home thinking about how they can kill infidels. Like minded people tend to cluster together and self segregate.

ainiriand 9y ago
I deeply agree with your comment. I think that it can be applied to rural Spain too. It is a symptom of this 2-speed way of living. As I write this I am surrounded at work by a Polish, Romanian, French and Irish. The richness you get from this interactions cannot be surpassed by the TV or the Twitter echo chamber.
crusso 9y ago
The state government is still very conservative because it represent rural Georgia far more than the population would call for You say that like it's a bad thing. Georgia is 47th in the nation in terms of per-capita debt. It boasts the busiest airport in the world, a thriving economy, a thriving tech community, a robust media culture, arguably the best bargain engineering degree in the world at Georgia Tech, a huge influx of outside influences over the past few decades - yielding a great deal of diversity and cosmopolitan attitudes. Despite some cultural divides between Atlanta downtown and rural Georgia, the state seems to function really well. The state shows that you can have a mix of cultures without perpetual racial clashes, like you see in Missouri, Maryland, etc. Why would a former factory worker in south Ga that has seen factories shut down left and right and go overseas and be taken over by automation ever see things the same way as someone in tech in Atlanta who hasn’t been affected? They don't have to see things the exact same way. They certainly don't need a one-size-fits-all heavy-handed government solution to their diverse problem sets. The rural guy in Georgia whose job disappeared needs to find some new work and think about his future. I've moved multiple times across the country for jobs.... he can too, if necessary. Maybe he needs to further his education. Georgia has a fairly good university system. If his kids need education, there's the lottery-funded Hope Scholarship. With just a modest amount of work to keep your grades up, the Hope Scholarship funds 75% to 100% of your tuition! Like minded people tend to cluster together and self segregate. And that's a good thing? Societies that balkanize rip themselves apart. History is replete with examples. Why would we want the same thing here where we have a success story to tell the world about?
- scarface74 9y ago
  Societies that balkanize rip themselves apart. History is replete with examples. Why would we want the same thing here where we have a success story to tell the world about? I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying it's a thing. As far as "success story". Things aren't too "successful" in places like Albany Ga - where factories have left, was once rated the murder capital of the US, and is consistently rated as one of the poorest cities in the US. GA has both one of the poorest cities in America (Albany) and one of the wealthiest cities (Johns Creek) and one of the wealthiest counties (Forsyth County). Everything that you tout about GA isn't benefiting areas outside of metro Atlanta. I've spent half my life in South Ga and the other half in metro Atlanta. It's two completely different worlds as far as opportunity, outlook, and world view. But if you were gay, Muslim, etc. where would you rather live, Tyty Ga or Atlanta?