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I'm angrier about this than I would normally be because I have to deal with entitled Nvidia users all the time. If Nvidia was a crappy player and I never heard

I'm angrier about this than I would normally be because I have to deal with entitled Nvidia users all the time. If Nvidia was a crappy player and I never heard about it, I wouldn't care, but Nvidia is a crappy player and many of their users act like entitled brats who fill my inbox and IRC channel. This article is as much addressed to them as it is to Nvidia.

awakeasleep 9y ago
Speaking as someone who is recovering from his own fuckups in this realm, I'm reminded of the buddha quote about how anger hurts the person who is angry rather than what you're angry at. Please don't take this as a criticism of you personally though, I'm just venting and worried about how I'm gonna fix a work relationship that I care about that I damaged because I was angry
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  Wise words. This is actually rather tempered from my first draft. It may have made sense to temper it more, but I stand by every point I said.
  - ktta 9y ago
    Just a tip. It is best to write something out, sleep on it and then revisit what you wrote the next day with a fresh mind. Hope it helps.
  - doesnt_know 9y ago
    It's seriously amazing how much you (and many others) give to the floss community. I do the 9-5 developer thing and enjoy it very much, but I would probably lose my shit if I constantly had random strangers emailing me on my personal accounts demanding help. I joke to myself that I would be the worst floss maintainer in the world and immediately reply to every feature request with an hourly charge out rate.
0xcde4c3db 9y ago
A surprising number of Nvidia users seem to live in an alternate universe where Nvidia GPUs are self-evidently the only "serious" option and only an idiot would bother with anything else. In their case I think they might honestly believe that Nvidia is the 800-pound gorilla in the GPU market, to the point of everything else being on the margins. Perhaps it simply doesn't even occur to them that Nvidia could ever resemble an annoying rump faction more than a glorious leader.
- jannes 9y ago
  Unfortunately AMD gpus are not supported on OSX, so if you want to dual boot OSX/linux you are forced to chose nvidia because of Apple.
  - bobthedino 9y ago
    Wondering if you could clarify what you mean here? All current Macs that have discrete graphics use AMD GPUs, so they are definitely supported by macOS - or are you talking about Hackintoshes?
    - jannes 9y ago
      Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware of that. Yes, I was talking about hackintoshes that don't have AMD support for some reason. Specifically I was talking about this hardware guide: https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/october/2017/#Graphics_Cards https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/october/2017/#Graphic...
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    I’ve got six Macs sitting within arm reach that disagree with you. Heck, my desktop Mac Pro has both Nvidia and AMD GPUs and both run without issue.
  - jhasse 9y ago
    You mean Hackintosh?
monster2control 9y ago
You're pretty much angry in every one of your post. It's kind of ironic that you state Nvidia users act entitled, your post come off as though you are better than every one else and that the rest of the world is wrong if they don't agree with you. While it sucks that Nvidia is not fully supportive of Linux or Wayland, this seems like the least productive way of getting them to do the right thing. Telling people they are wrong, or idiots, or entitled, is probably the quickest way to alienate them and lose all support instead of gaining it. Bottom line, just admit it, you hate anything that is not 100% open source, which is your opinion and right to do, but that doesn't make it the only option and if Nvidia provided a solution that allows you to work with their GPUs, it is you that is wrong here. They are the bigger fish, thus they get to eat you or at least push you around. Basic life lesson. You would have been much better off writing an article simply asking for a few passionate Nvidia user that wish to take over Nvidia support if they would like to see it continue to work in Sway. Instead, you write an article that alienates the entire user base. That's a pretty shitty thing to do and a reason people seem so unwilling to work with a lot of FOSS maintainers, because the truth is, they act like the entitled ones, as your article clearly does about you.
- jackary_the_cat 9y ago
  The guy is super angry, it doesn't matter what you say. Even if he had used different tone, I doubt he would ever accept the Nvidia support into sway.

awakeasleep 9y ago

Speaking as someone who is recovering from his own fuckups in this realm, I'm reminded of the buddha quote about how anger hurts the person who is angry rather than what you're angry at. Please don't take this as a criticism of you personally though, I'm just venting and worried about how I'm gonna fix a work relationship that I care about that I damaged because I was angry

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
Wise words. This is actually rather tempered from my first draft. It may have made sense to temper it more, but I stand by every point I said.
- ktta 9y ago
  Just a tip. It is best to write something out, sleep on it and then revisit what you wrote the next day with a fresh mind. Hope it helps.
- doesnt_know 9y ago
  It's seriously amazing how much you (and many others) give to the floss community. I do the 9-5 developer thing and enjoy it very much, but I would probably lose my shit if I constantly had random strangers emailing me on my personal accounts demanding help. I joke to myself that I would be the worst floss maintainer in the world and immediately reply to every feature request with an hourly charge out rate.

0xcde4c3db 9y ago

A surprising number of Nvidia users seem to live in an alternate universe where Nvidia GPUs are self-evidently the only "serious" option and only an idiot would bother with anything else. In their case I think they might honestly believe that Nvidia is the 800-pound gorilla in the GPU market, to the point of everything else being on the margins. Perhaps it simply doesn't even occur to them that Nvidia could ever resemble an annoying rump faction more than a glorious leader.

jannes 9y ago
Unfortunately AMD gpus are not supported on OSX, so if you want to dual boot OSX/linux you are forced to chose nvidia because of Apple.
- bobthedino 9y ago
  Wondering if you could clarify what you mean here? All current Macs that have discrete graphics use AMD GPUs, so they are definitely supported by macOS - or are you talking about Hackintoshes?
  - jannes 9y ago
    Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware of that. Yes, I was talking about hackintoshes that don't have AMD support for some reason. Specifically I was talking about this hardware guide: https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/october/2017/#Graphics_Cards https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/october/2017/#Graphic...
- jsjohnst 9y ago
  I’ve got six Macs sitting within arm reach that disagree with you. Heck, my desktop Mac Pro has both Nvidia and AMD GPUs and both run without issue.
- jhasse 9y ago
  You mean Hackintosh?

monster2control 9y ago

You're pretty much angry in every one of your post. It's kind of ironic that you state Nvidia users act entitled, your post come off as though you are better than every one else and that the rest of the world is wrong if they don't agree with you. While it sucks that Nvidia is not fully supportive of Linux or Wayland, this seems like the least productive way of getting them to do the right thing. Telling people they are wrong, or idiots, or entitled, is probably the quickest way to alienate them and lose all support instead of gaining it. Bottom line, just admit it, you hate anything that is not 100% open source, which is your opinion and right to do, but that doesn't make it the only option and if Nvidia provided a solution that allows you to work with their GPUs, it is you that is wrong here. They are the bigger fish, thus they get to eat you or at least push you around. Basic life lesson. You would have been much better off writing an article simply asking for a few passionate Nvidia user that wish to take over Nvidia support if they would like to see it continue to work in Sway. Instead, you write an article that alienates the entire user base. That's a pretty shitty thing to do and a reason people seem so unwilling to work with a lot of FOSS maintainers, because the truth is, they act like the entitled ones, as your article clearly does about you.

jackary_the_cat 9y ago
The guy is super angry, it doesn't matter what you say. Even if he had used different tone, I doubt he would ever accept the Nvidia support into sway.