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Ya, but most of those laws are about protecting the rights of individuals. I can't hit you because you have a right to bodily autonomy. What's being protected h

by harryh 9y ago

Ya, but most of those laws are about protecting the rights of individuals. I can't hit you because you have a right to bodily autonomy. What's being protected here?

michaelmrose 9y ago
The overall well being of the society as a whole. Plenty of laws have causes as vague even if you don't realize it is so and you arguably can't build a functioning society without laws stemming from vague but significant causes.
IncRnd 9y ago
What is being protected is stated in the headline and first two sentences of the article. ... new policy designed to stop soaring house prices ... ... said the new plan was designed to stop rising house prices and will apply to non-residents.
- harryh 9y ago
  You don't have a right to buy a house at a particular price. If someone else is willing to pay more the seller should have the opportunity to sell it to them. These laws privilege the desires of some buyers over both the desires of sellers and non-native buyers.
  - mantas 9y ago
    Not every sell is equal if you look at it like at social contract. A family buying a house is different from investors looking to park their money. It looks like ban will apply to non-residents rather than non-native. If you're non resident, why do you want to buy? Rent to check out the city, get residency which you'd need to live in a country anyway, then buy.
  - Frondo 9y ago
    Why not? Housing is a human right, and lots of US cities have all kinds of regulations around affordable housing. I think we're not far at all from "you do have the right to buy a house at a particular price," we just dress it up in fancier language.
  - sliverstorm 9y ago
    Why do non-citizen buyers deserve anything? It's their country, they don't have to let us in.
  - IncRnd 9y ago
    > You don't have a right to buy a house at a particular price. I never said that I did. > If someone else is willing to pay more the seller should have the opportunity to sell it to them. These laws privilege the desires of some buyers over both the desires of sellers and non-native buyers. And if the areas in question had been rezoned to increase supply instead of reducing demand, that would have privileged the desires of a different group of people. All laws privilege a certain set of desires over other sets of desires. Why shouldn't people who live in an area have the right to decide how they want to collectively structure their lives and economics?

by harryh 9y ago

Ya, but most of those laws are about protecting the rights of individuals. I can't hit you because you have a right to bodily autonomy. What's being protected here?

michaelmrose 9y ago

The overall well being of the society as a whole. Plenty of laws have causes as vague even if you don't realize it is so and you arguably can't build a functioning society without laws stemming from vague but significant causes.

IncRnd 9y ago

What is being protected is stated in the headline and first two sentences of the article. ... new policy designed to stop soaring house prices ... ... said the new plan was designed to stop rising house prices and will apply to non-residents.

harryh 9y ago
You don't have a right to buy a house at a particular price. If someone else is willing to pay more the seller should have the opportunity to sell it to them. These laws privilege the desires of some buyers over both the desires of sellers and non-native buyers.
- mantas 9y ago
  Not every sell is equal if you look at it like at social contract. A family buying a house is different from investors looking to park their money. It looks like ban will apply to non-residents rather than non-native. If you're non resident, why do you want to buy? Rent to check out the city, get residency which you'd need to live in a country anyway, then buy.
- Frondo 9y ago
  Why not? Housing is a human right, and lots of US cities have all kinds of regulations around affordable housing. I think we're not far at all from "you do have the right to buy a house at a particular price," we just dress it up in fancier language.
- sliverstorm 9y ago
  Why do non-citizen buyers deserve anything? It's their country, they don't have to let us in.
- IncRnd 9y ago
  > You don't have a right to buy a house at a particular price. I never said that I did. > If someone else is willing to pay more the seller should have the opportunity to sell it to them. These laws privilege the desires of some buyers over both the desires of sellers and non-native buyers. And if the areas in question had been rezoned to increase supply instead of reducing demand, that would have privileged the desires of a different group of people. All laws privilege a certain set of desires over other sets of desires. Why shouldn't people who live in an area have the right to decide how they want to collectively structure their lives and economics?