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On the strong form, certainly and provably not. Studies have been funded to find any correlation between the will of the populace and policy that is enacted. Th
by wfo 9y ago
On the strong form, certainly and provably not. Studies have been funded to find any correlation between the will of the populace and policy that is enacted. There is zero correlation.
On the semi-weak form, obviously not. Voter suppression is constant and ubiquitous in most states. Gerrymandering has caused international organizations to classify states in the US as non-democracies, and explicitly suppresses the will of the voting population as its stated goal. It is extremely effective. The majority of the population of states vote for one policy position, and the polar opposite party will receive a two-thirds unbeatable veto-proof majority in the legislature. There is incontrovertible evidence that even presidential elections were explicitly and intentionally stolen (Gore) -- we know this happened. There is strong evidence to suggest the subsequent election was stolen as well, with the election in Ohio raising every red flag election monitors know to look for and some they hadn't yet invented because they were so blatant as to be unthinkable (the owner of the company that distributed all voting machines in the state explicitly, publicly promised to deliver the election to the candidate who won). While the system is in principle distributed, in reality it is anything but: a tiny number of very easily hacked, bought, corrupted, and infiltrated swing state electoral systems decide the fate of the entire nation, safe from the scrutiny and security requirements that an actual federal election system would have to undergo.
On the weak form, are you kidding? Nearly every electoral system in any modern democratic state is far superior. Your statements about peaceful change of the guard, separation of powers, and the judiciary (its independence is laughable; judges are explicitly selected partisans who dictate partisan policy positions from the bench instead of voting for it in congress) are all totally irrelevant to the question as it should be formulated in it's weak form: does the American electoral system work better than others? Nothing was asked or stated about the system of governance. You only even answer the question you asked by taking an extreme ideologically charged definition of "work better". The question you implicitly asked (that you answered) is: is the American system of governance effective at preserving a tradition of peaceful transfer of power from oligarch to oligarch? Has the obvious answer, yes. As does the system in North Korea.
>We just don't have a multi century, multigenerational society that has generated as much wealth for as many people while confronting the number of difficult questions the American system has.
We don't have such a society that has generated much wealth for the many; rather, for the few.
The only thing that keeps Americans from publicly admitting these obvious truths about the voting system is a need to believe that the system works; we accept that obviously undemocratic results are democratic because to accept the alternative (which happens to be true) is unthinkable and would cause chaos. It is a group lie we tell ourselves to make society function.
- jfnixon 9y ago"We don't have such a society that has generated much wealth for the many; rather, for the few." You really should get out more. Go visit some countries around the world. Study history beyond the 4th grade level. Your claim is so bad, it isn't even wrong.
- wfo 9y agoIndeed; I have seen the "you are dumb and I am smart, you are a fourth grader" 'argument' before, though it's never been applied towards me until this point -- consider yourself a pioneer in that regard. I am honored; right wing idiots who have access to the internet and little else to offer have found my post and think that what I am saying threatens their worldview. There isn't a better sign in the universe that I'm doing something right.
- Sacho 9y ago> On the strong form, certainly and provably not. Studies have been funded to find any correlation between the will of the populace and policy that is enacted. There is zero correlation. This is not the strong form parent was talking about. Here is the strong form: "Do American elections reflect the will of the populace?" American elections are not the same as the policy changes made by the people elected; You are arguing against something like "Does American governance reflect the will of the populace?" Can you link to some of those studies? I'm very interested in seeing the method they used in determining the will of the populace.
- wfo 9y agoSure, here is the most regularly referenced study: http://wws.princeton.edu/faculty-research/research/item/testing-theories-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average http://wws.princeton.edu/faculty-research/research/item/test...