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I haven't seen any sympathy for Antifa on HN.

by jquery 9y ago

kstrauser 9y ago
In your opinion, are Antifa racists?
- jquery 9y ago
  It depends on whether you believe racism is power + prejudice or just prejudice. Since I subscribe to the latter, yes.
  - kstrauser 9y ago
    Who is Antifa prejudiced against? I'm white but I've never felt like they were any danger to me whatsoever.
    - heeen2 9y ago
      One could argue that if you have nice things (e.g. nice car, upscale shop windows) certain groups that are assumed under the antifa umbrella would not hesitate to set fire to your car as a protest against capitalism and the power gradients it strengthens. Examplary incidents are G20 protests in Germany.
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        Assumed by who to be under the Antifa umbrella? It's not like Antifa is a structured group with a command structure. They are by definition anarchists.
    - JCharante 9y ago
      > Who is Antifa prejudiced against? It seems like Antifa is prejudiced against people with a lighter skin tone. > I'm white but I've never felt like they were any danger to me whatsoever. Because Antifa is a bunch of civilians.
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        Antifa is prejudiced against fascists, and for good reason.
        jquery 9y ago
        Yeah, that's the travel brochure. From observing them where I live in San Francisco they seem to be violent against anybody right of center and free speech advocates (who may not be right of center). They are also prejudiced against whites in the same way anti-semites are prejudiced against Jews, just swap Jews for white people in their narrative.
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        You should probably check your biases. (The vast majority of antifa are white, btw)
        jquery 9y ago
        I know Antifa is mostly white. That doesn't change anything in my view, because prejudice based on skin color is racism, no matter the color of the person holding that prejudice.
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        Ah, so you're simply projecting your own prejudices.
KozmoNau7 9y ago
"But but but Antifa are the real facists/racists" Give me a break.
- jquery 9y ago
  Antifa and Neo-nazis are both a scourge on our body politic. But since pretty much everyone I know agrees about the neo-nazis and their ilk, I feel a much greater urgency to call out Antifa and its ilk.
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    Your cognitive dissonance is simply astounding.
    - jquery 9y ago
      Huh? It's "astounding" to dislike groups that riot and attack people/property in the pursuit of political aims I disagree with? Is this some George W. Bush "you're either with us or against us" BS?
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        So you hate a small group of people with a tendency to riot (black bloc), and you project that hate onto all anti-fascists, because you think that makes them just as bad as actual fascists.

I haven't seen any sympathy for Antifa on HN.

by jquery 9y ago

I haven't seen any sympathy for Antifa on HN.

kstrauser 9y ago

In your opinion, are Antifa racists?

jquery 9y ago
It depends on whether you believe racism is power + prejudice or just prejudice. Since I subscribe to the latter, yes.
- kstrauser 9y ago
  Who is Antifa prejudiced against? I'm white but I've never felt like they were any danger to me whatsoever.
  - heeen2 9y ago
    One could argue that if you have nice things (e.g. nice car, upscale shop windows) certain groups that are assumed under the antifa umbrella would not hesitate to set fire to your car as a protest against capitalism and the power gradients it strengthens. Examplary incidents are G20 protests in Germany.
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      Assumed by who to be under the Antifa umbrella? It's not like Antifa is a structured group with a command structure. They are by definition anarchists.
  - JCharante 9y ago
    > Who is Antifa prejudiced against? It seems like Antifa is prejudiced against people with a lighter skin tone. > I'm white but I've never felt like they were any danger to me whatsoever. Because Antifa is a bunch of civilians.
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      Antifa is prejudiced against fascists, and for good reason.
      - jquery 9y ago
        Yeah, that's the travel brochure. From observing them where I live in San Francisco they seem to be violent against anybody right of center and free speech advocates (who may not be right of center). They are also prejudiced against whites in the same way anti-semites are prejudiced against Jews, just swap Jews for white people in their narrative.
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        You should probably check your biases. (The vast majority of antifa are white, btw)
        jquery 9y ago
        I know Antifa is mostly white. That doesn't change anything in my view, because prejudice based on skin color is racism, no matter the color of the person holding that prejudice.
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        Ah, so you're simply projecting your own prejudices.

KozmoNau7 9y ago

"But but but Antifa are the real facists/racists" Give me a break.

jquery 9y ago
Antifa and Neo-nazis are both a scourge on our body politic. But since pretty much everyone I know agrees about the neo-nazis and their ilk, I feel a much greater urgency to call out Antifa and its ilk.
- KozmoNau7 9y ago
  Your cognitive dissonance is simply astounding.
  - jquery 9y ago
    Huh? It's "astounding" to dislike groups that riot and attack people/property in the pursuit of political aims I disagree with? Is this some George W. Bush "you're either with us or against us" BS?
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      So you hate a small group of people with a tendency to riot (black bloc), and you project that hate onto all anti-fascists, because you think that makes them just as bad as actual fascists.