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This is just a problem of schools starting too early. You can't fix stupid. Although isn't the idea of "permanent DST" an oxymoron?

tzs 9y ago
I agree that middle/high school is arguably starting too early (especially since research has shown, I believe, that teens really should be sleeping later). In the case of elementary school, though, you are dealing with kids young enough that they probably cannot reliably be counted on the get ready and leave for school on their own, and so you need to fit school times in with their parent's work schedule.
- racer-v 9y ago
  As long as we're trying to fix all the world's problems, I'd submit that the ideal domestic partnership has one parent able to focus full-time on childcare and home life. It doesn't have to be the same parent all the time, but I find the expectation of dual incomes to be one of the great rip-offs of modern life.
  - positivecomment 9y ago
    Somewhere along the way to 10s, we lost the work flexibility. "I took care of my kids for 5 years" gets your CV discarded in an instant. So both parents, not always because they need the money, but very frequently because they're afraid to lose their career, choose to keep working.
    - jacobush 9y ago
      Somewhere in the early 90s in these parts.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 9y ago
    We should start a political party :-)
- secabeen 9y ago
  Middle/high does start too early, but if you started later, there wouldn't been enough time after school for those precious athletic team practices and games.
  - positr0n 9y ago
    I went to school in the 90s-aughts in a school district where the median household income was ~15% below the national average. The rationale I always heard for the 7:45am high school start time was that some teenagers needed to work after school jobs to help support their families, and if school ended too late they would just drop out. I know live in a wealthy school district (with very good athletic programs) and high school starts at 9am. In both places at least some of the athletic/band programs started before school. Just an anecdote though, I never heard that rationale from an official source.
  - racer-v 9y ago
    There's certainly an option to make the school day shorter. I seem to remember a lot of dead time in my classroom days.
  - NotSammyHagar 9y ago
    Athletics should obviously start early if they need the time - why hold the whole school hostage for them?
NotSammyHagar 9y ago
Everyone agrees that the schools start too early, but there are so many idiots who throw up reasons why they are afraid to change. It's like a mark twain novel of a small town in Misssissippi in the 1800s. In my town, the latest reason why we couldn't start later was "we'll mismatch for athletic events for schools from nearby towns". Then the other nearby school districts switched, and our asshole district said, its still too scary, and waited one more year, and now we are 40 minutes later. We should go another half hour later.
deathanatos 9y ago
> Although isn't the idea of "permanent DST" an oxymoron? It's slightly different from no-DST in that "the sun is directly above" is no longer approximately noon, ever; the TZ is effectively 1 hour off of what is should be and DST is abolished. (The sun would be overhead at ~1pm year-round.) (It would also mean that during winter, in some locales, the sun would not rise until after 9am. I personally like seeing the sun in the morning.)

tzs 9y ago

I agree that middle/high school is arguably starting too early (especially since research has shown, I believe, that teens really should be sleeping later). In the case of elementary school, though, you are dealing with kids young enough that they probably cannot reliably be counted on the get ready and leave for school on their own, and so you need to fit school times in with their parent's work schedule.

racer-v 9y ago
As long as we're trying to fix all the world's problems, I'd submit that the ideal domestic partnership has one parent able to focus full-time on childcare and home life. It doesn't have to be the same parent all the time, but I find the expectation of dual incomes to be one of the great rip-offs of modern life.
- positivecomment 9y ago
  Somewhere along the way to 10s, we lost the work flexibility. "I took care of my kids for 5 years" gets your CV discarded in an instant. So both parents, not always because they need the money, but very frequently because they're afraid to lose their career, choose to keep working.
  - jacobush 9y ago
    Somewhere in the early 90s in these parts.
- HeyLaughingBoy 9y ago
  We should start a political party :-)
secabeen 9y ago
Middle/high does start too early, but if you started later, there wouldn't been enough time after school for those precious athletic team practices and games.
- positr0n 9y ago
  I went to school in the 90s-aughts in a school district where the median household income was ~15% below the national average. The rationale I always heard for the 7:45am high school start time was that some teenagers needed to work after school jobs to help support their families, and if school ended too late they would just drop out. I know live in a wealthy school district (with very good athletic programs) and high school starts at 9am. In both places at least some of the athletic/band programs started before school. Just an anecdote though, I never heard that rationale from an official source.
- racer-v 9y ago
  There's certainly an option to make the school day shorter. I seem to remember a lot of dead time in my classroom days.
- NotSammyHagar 9y ago
  Athletics should obviously start early if they need the time - why hold the whole school hostage for them?

NotSammyHagar 9y ago

Everyone agrees that the schools start too early, but there are so many idiots who throw up reasons why they are afraid to change. It's like a mark twain novel of a small town in Misssissippi in the 1800s. In my town, the latest reason why we couldn't start later was "we'll mismatch for athletic events for schools from nearby towns". Then the other nearby school districts switched, and our asshole district said, its still too scary, and waited one more year, and now we are 40 minutes later. We should go another half hour later.

deathanatos 9y ago

> Although isn't the idea of "permanent DST" an oxymoron? It's slightly different from no-DST in that "the sun is directly above" is no longer approximately noon, ever; the TZ is effectively 1 hour off of what is should be and DST is abolished. (The sun would be overhead at ~1pm year-round.) (It would also mean that during winter, in some locales, the sun would not rise until after 9am. I personally like seeing the sun in the morning.)