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Antifa subreddits will be removed?

tripplethrendo 9y ago
So they banned Far_Right but https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ is ok? What a cool place Reddit is! /s
- _euac 9y ago
  Maybe, just maybe, it's because the "far left" subreddit doesn't have content calling for ethnic cleansing? Just saying.
  - jquery 9y ago
    No, they want to cleanse the bourgeoisie, they're very multi-ethnic in their genocides. And not all of the far left is colorblind, we generally consider people who want to ethnically cleanse white people as far left.
    - uoaei 9y ago
      They specifically advocate for inclusion of races, and a destruction of a class system. Nowhere in this does "color" or "ethnicity" make its way into this.
      - thescribe 9y ago
        So a bloody bolsheviks style revolution is ok as long as they do it inclusively?
        uoaei 9y ago
        Intellectual dishonesty is a bad look.
        _euac 9y ago
        Please point me to posts on those subreddits calling for a bloody revolution and the killing of the bourgeoisie? There's been this new meme circulating on right-wing circles that if you are not a card-carrying alt-righter then you must be - by necessity - Che Guevara's second coming. It's pretty disingenuous, and quite silly to be honest.
        jquery 9y ago
        No, there's a meme among normal people that if you violently riot and attack people and property when you don't get your way politically, you're a nuisance to democratic society and have more in common with the Red Guard than soldiers who stormed the beaches in WWII.
        _euac 9y ago
        Sure. That's exactly what's happening right now (in the Fox News/Breitbart/The_Donald parallel universe)
    - KozmoNau7 9y ago
      Please point to where you think they're advocating bloody revolution, genocide or ethnic cleansing of white people. I'll be waiting patiently.
      - jquery 9y ago
        Since we've already shattered Godwin's law, I might as well reply. Hitler didn't call for the genocide of Jews originally, he just talked and wrote about how much he thought Jewish Supremacy was a problem. Swap Jews for white people and you have Antifa.
        _euac 9y ago
        Oh man, yeah... we have literal Nazis rallying with the tacit approval of the president (BTW, using the same anti-Semitic rhetoric you mention), but Antifa are the Nazis now. WOW, the cognitive dissonance is so strong, you'll blow a gasket when you finally decide to be honest with yourself and admit you are part of the problem.
        KozmoNau7 9y ago
        "Jewish supremacy"? What are you even on about?
- KirinDave 9y ago
  Maybe take it as a mark of grim respect. Far left and anarchist groups are generally considered to be unsuccessful in the arc of modern history, with even China partially adopting western aspects of governance to remain competitive. Their successes are almost entirely in appealing to moderates and with heavy appeasement of capitalism. One of the most famous attempt at true communism ended spectacularly, with a bulk victimization of many marginalized people who had been coaxed out of the shadows by a regime that failed to hold power to protect them. Far right groups are taken much more seriously, because a conflict they started and escalated blighted an entire continent. If it seems unfair that it's okay to make a video game (admittedly: a very fun, enjoyable game) about killing nazis by the dozen is pop culture but games about killing antifa can't even get news coverage, maybe that's true. It's because the victors of the last conflict against organized fascism accept violence as a constant reaffirmation that the binding substrate of civilization is democracy. You're "in-tribe" if you're on that train. If you seek to subvert or destroy democracy, that triggers violent a rejection by most of the western world. A topical example: It's generally regarded as somewhat funny that Richard Spencer gets punched. Technically, it's illegal and we accept violence is no way to treat citizens in principle. Yet a lot of people in the US do hold racist views even if you take a very narrow definition of racism, and we don't see mass punching at scale. Spencer's singled out because he's publicly part of the ideology proposing the subversion and destruction of democracy. This turns off many of the typical restraints we'd exercise. Bannon and Yarvin probably need to be cautious of punch sqads as well as their profile raises. Perhaps unsurprisingly (and imo, justifiably) so. As a general rule, America bends its own rules when it perceives something taking advantage of said rules. That's not a new thing, and it explains a lot of the legislative dithering that we have seen over the decades and a lot of the political rhetoric we see playing out today. But I really do want to stress how much fun it is to have pop cultural license to go back and play a mindless game like Wolf2 for a bit.
  - jquery 9y ago
    > Far left groups are generally considered to be unsuccessful in the arc of history Um, what? China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, just to name a few of the more famous ones. Tens of millions killed in the name of a communist utopia.
- pavlov 9y ago
  These are the rules posted on /r/farleft: - No harassment or degrading of any leftist tendency or individual comrades. Debate and disagreements are fine, as long as they remain respectful. - Sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia, xenophobia, and all other forms of reactionary bigotry have no place here. - Liberals and other non-leftists are allowed if they are willing to learn about the far-left and should be welcomed. - Keep the edge to a minimum. - Shit-posts are allowed, just not shit-shit-posts. Having a different opinion is not a reason to downvote. - Don't be a jerk. Doesn't seem like a violent place. Why do you think it merits a ban? Just because of the name?
- pknopf 9y ago
  If you dig into the comments on each of the subs, you will see it isn't just left vs right. One has doxing/harrasment/violence, the other doesn't.
lobf 9y ago
If they advocate violence.

So they banned Far_Right but https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ https://www.reddit.com/r/farleft/ is ok? What a cool place Reddit is! /s

_euac 9y ago
Maybe, just maybe, it's because the "far left" subreddit doesn't have content calling for ethnic cleansing? Just saying.
- jquery 9y ago
  No, they want to cleanse the bourgeoisie, they're very multi-ethnic in their genocides. And not all of the far left is colorblind, we generally consider people who want to ethnically cleanse white people as far left.
  - uoaei 9y ago
    They specifically advocate for inclusion of races, and a destruction of a class system. Nowhere in this does "color" or "ethnicity" make its way into this.
    - thescribe 9y ago
      So a bloody bolsheviks style revolution is ok as long as they do it inclusively?
      - uoaei 9y ago
        Intellectual dishonesty is a bad look.
      - _euac 9y ago
        Please point me to posts on those subreddits calling for a bloody revolution and the killing of the bourgeoisie? There's been this new meme circulating on right-wing circles that if you are not a card-carrying alt-righter then you must be - by necessity - Che Guevara's second coming. It's pretty disingenuous, and quite silly to be honest.
        jquery 9y ago
        No, there's a meme among normal people that if you violently riot and attack people and property when you don't get your way politically, you're a nuisance to democratic society and have more in common with the Red Guard than soldiers who stormed the beaches in WWII.
        _euac 9y ago
        Sure. That's exactly what's happening right now (in the Fox News/Breitbart/The_Donald parallel universe)
  - KozmoNau7 9y ago
    Please point to where you think they're advocating bloody revolution, genocide or ethnic cleansing of white people. I'll be waiting patiently.
    - jquery 9y ago
      Since we've already shattered Godwin's law, I might as well reply. Hitler didn't call for the genocide of Jews originally, he just talked and wrote about how much he thought Jewish Supremacy was a problem. Swap Jews for white people and you have Antifa.
      - _euac 9y ago
        Oh man, yeah... we have literal Nazis rallying with the tacit approval of the president (BTW, using the same anti-Semitic rhetoric you mention), but Antifa are the Nazis now. WOW, the cognitive dissonance is so strong, you'll blow a gasket when you finally decide to be honest with yourself and admit you are part of the problem.
      - KozmoNau7 9y ago
        "Jewish supremacy"? What are you even on about?
KirinDave 9y ago
Maybe take it as a mark of grim respect. Far left and anarchist groups are generally considered to be unsuccessful in the arc of modern history, with even China partially adopting western aspects of governance to remain competitive. Their successes are almost entirely in appealing to moderates and with heavy appeasement of capitalism. One of the most famous attempt at true communism ended spectacularly, with a bulk victimization of many marginalized people who had been coaxed out of the shadows by a regime that failed to hold power to protect them. Far right groups are taken much more seriously, because a conflict they started and escalated blighted an entire continent. If it seems unfair that it's okay to make a video game (admittedly: a very fun, enjoyable game) about killing nazis by the dozen is pop culture but games about killing antifa can't even get news coverage, maybe that's true. It's because the victors of the last conflict against organized fascism accept violence as a constant reaffirmation that the binding substrate of civilization is democracy. You're "in-tribe" if you're on that train. If you seek to subvert or destroy democracy, that triggers violent a rejection by most of the western world. A topical example: It's generally regarded as somewhat funny that Richard Spencer gets punched. Technically, it's illegal and we accept violence is no way to treat citizens in principle. Yet a lot of people in the US do hold racist views even if you take a very narrow definition of racism, and we don't see mass punching at scale. Spencer's singled out because he's publicly part of the ideology proposing the subversion and destruction of democracy. This turns off many of the typical restraints we'd exercise. Bannon and Yarvin probably need to be cautious of punch sqads as well as their profile raises. Perhaps unsurprisingly (and imo, justifiably) so. As a general rule, America bends its own rules when it perceives something taking advantage of said rules. That's not a new thing, and it explains a lot of the legislative dithering that we have seen over the decades and a lot of the political rhetoric we see playing out today. But I really do want to stress how much fun it is to have pop cultural license to go back and play a mindless game like Wolf2 for a bit.
- jquery 9y ago
  > Far left groups are generally considered to be unsuccessful in the arc of history Um, what? China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, just to name a few of the more famous ones. Tens of millions killed in the name of a communist utopia.
pavlov 9y ago
These are the rules posted on /r/farleft: - No harassment or degrading of any leftist tendency or individual comrades. Debate and disagreements are fine, as long as they remain respectful. - Sexism, racism, ableism, homophobia, xenophobia, and all other forms of reactionary bigotry have no place here. - Liberals and other non-leftists are allowed if they are willing to learn about the far-left and should be welcomed. - Keep the edge to a minimum. - Shit-posts are allowed, just not shit-shit-posts. Having a different opinion is not a reason to downvote. - Don't be a jerk. Doesn't seem like a violent place. Why do you think it merits a ban? Just because of the name?
pknopf 9y ago
If you dig into the comments on each of the subs, you will see it isn't just left vs right. One has doxing/harrasment/violence, the other doesn't.

lobf 9y ago

If they advocate violence.