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I don't think that's the argument. Reddit has every right NOT to host any subreddit it doesn't want to. The question is, why ban far-right subreddits, but leav

I don't think that's the argument. Reddit has every right NOT to host any subreddit it doesn't want to. The question is, why ban far-right subreddits, but leave far-left subreddits intact? That's the issue.

TotallyHuman 9y ago
How else will they get their leftist echo chamber?
bbctol 9y ago
Serious question: what far-left subreddits? Not trying for snark, I really don't know what the left equivalent of like... /r/DylannRoofInnocent would be on reddit.
- spaceflunky 9y ago
  /r/latestagecapitalism and the plethora of antifa subreddits often call for violence against anyone that doesn't agree with them.
  - gt_ 9y ago
    It should be clarified that late stage capitalism critique and antifa do not have any ideological or associational overlap. The former is theory limited to effects of economic relations, while the latter is a reactionary-by-nature political call to action. I realize this is not obvious in the names. Fears from raised awareness of late stage capitalism would not by any sound logic even motivate assiciation with something like Antifa. It would more likely inform and divert one’s alignment with something like that. In my view, one would have to be willfully ignorant to deny the first, and willfully ignorant to align with the latter. In my view, this is a pretty good example of why censoring these conversations is a terrible solution. It can only serve to limit our ability to have nuanced understandings about the world we live in.
    - observation 9y ago
      For what it is worth I'd be categorized as far right and I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. There are a lot of failure modes in politics and the widely held feeling that if only we nipped the 'extremes' at either end of the spectrum and everything would be alright, that is bunk. I continue to see a conflation of violent extremism and how far the political orientation is from the center of politics. One of the most important failures of the political spectrum model is the inability to recognize the center is a homogeneous place while the edges are extremely diverse. Like everything else it's a tree structure. As I see it the most important error in recent years was the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. That didn't come about as a result of far right extremism or far left agitating. Broadly speaking neither faction wanted the war, so it must have come from the center. It irks me that most attention is paid to the handful of violent ideologues, when the worst strategic errors are overlooked because they are closer to the center and have a body of political support. This is not a coherent way to police political violence.
- swalsh 9y ago
  Not saying it's equivalent..... But there is /r/SocialistRA/ its a place where people are actively organizing armed groups for the purpose of a theoretical future communist revolution :\ I hung around there for a bit, as a liberal supporter of the second amendment, and advocate for socialized healthcare... but when I clarified their positions, I found them to be far more extreme then I was personally comfortable with.
  - tomtheelder 9y ago
    Had never heard of that, just popped in there. Definitely seems like it falls into the same group as some of these banned subs. A lot of just generic gun related content, but then a fair number of posts about killing political adversaries. Didn't have to scroll down very far to find a post about having a large magazine so as to be able to kill many racists. Not good, should get banned under new policy IMO.
  - floatingatoll 9y ago
    You should report them to Reddit!
SippinLean 9y ago
The hate and neo-nazi subreddits are entirely on the far-right.
strathmeyer 9y ago
Because they didn't ban far-right subreddits. Why lie about the issue?
enraged_camel 9y ago
Which far-left subreddits support and advocate the extermination of entire ethnic/religious groups?
- spaceflunky 9y ago
  Pretty much any subreddit that idolizes marxism, communism, the soviet union, or che guevara is in some way supporting or advocating the extermination of entire ethnic and religious groups. It's kind of hard to play the "only nazis want to kill people" when you have a soviet flag and hammer and sickle in your subreddit. Proof of Soviet / Communist ethic cleansing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Sov... https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3229636/Martin%201998.pdf?sequence=2 https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3229636/Martin%2...
  - YesonID 9y ago
    Don't know why this got downvoted. Communism has killed more than Nazi's, so if we're banning Nazi's because they're a potentially violent threat, it follows that communism/marxist subreddits would also be banned.
    - thedaemon 9y ago
      Because Marxist Communism is about everyone being equal.
      - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
        ... and anyone who doesn't agree with Communism's version of that is an evil person who is promoting the exploitation of the downtrodden, and therefore inevitably will be violently opposed. That is, though Marxist Communism talks about everyone being equal, it also talks about violence to those who disagree. And in practice, the violence has shown up more reliably than the equality has.
eroccatlun 9y ago
"Its only violence if its against me, not if its against those I disagree with" - most of the replies to this

TotallyHuman 9y ago

How else will they get their leftist echo chamber?

bbctol 9y ago

Serious question: what far-left subreddits? Not trying for snark, I really don't know what the left equivalent of like... /r/DylannRoofInnocent would be on reddit.

spaceflunky 9y ago
/r/latestagecapitalism and the plethora of antifa subreddits often call for violence against anyone that doesn't agree with them.
- gt_ 9y ago
  It should be clarified that late stage capitalism critique and antifa do not have any ideological or associational overlap. The former is theory limited to effects of economic relations, while the latter is a reactionary-by-nature political call to action. I realize this is not obvious in the names. Fears from raised awareness of late stage capitalism would not by any sound logic even motivate assiciation with something like Antifa. It would more likely inform and divert one’s alignment with something like that. In my view, one would have to be willfully ignorant to deny the first, and willfully ignorant to align with the latter. In my view, this is a pretty good example of why censoring these conversations is a terrible solution. It can only serve to limit our ability to have nuanced understandings about the world we live in.
  - observation 9y ago
    For what it is worth I'd be categorized as far right and I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. There are a lot of failure modes in politics and the widely held feeling that if only we nipped the 'extremes' at either end of the spectrum and everything would be alright, that is bunk. I continue to see a conflation of violent extremism and how far the political orientation is from the center of politics. One of the most important failures of the political spectrum model is the inability to recognize the center is a homogeneous place while the edges are extremely diverse. Like everything else it's a tree structure. As I see it the most important error in recent years was the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. That didn't come about as a result of far right extremism or far left agitating. Broadly speaking neither faction wanted the war, so it must have come from the center. It irks me that most attention is paid to the handful of violent ideologues, when the worst strategic errors are overlooked because they are closer to the center and have a body of political support. This is not a coherent way to police political violence.
swalsh 9y ago
Not saying it's equivalent..... But there is /r/SocialistRA/ its a place where people are actively organizing armed groups for the purpose of a theoretical future communist revolution :\ I hung around there for a bit, as a liberal supporter of the second amendment, and advocate for socialized healthcare... but when I clarified their positions, I found them to be far more extreme then I was personally comfortable with.
- tomtheelder 9y ago
  Had never heard of that, just popped in there. Definitely seems like it falls into the same group as some of these banned subs. A lot of just generic gun related content, but then a fair number of posts about killing political adversaries. Didn't have to scroll down very far to find a post about having a large magazine so as to be able to kill many racists. Not good, should get banned under new policy IMO.
- floatingatoll 9y ago
  You should report them to Reddit!

SippinLean 9y ago

The hate and neo-nazi subreddits are entirely on the far-right.

strathmeyer 9y ago

Because they didn't ban far-right subreddits. Why lie about the issue?

enraged_camel 9y ago

Which far-left subreddits support and advocate the extermination of entire ethnic/religious groups?

spaceflunky 9y ago
Pretty much any subreddit that idolizes marxism, communism, the soviet union, or che guevara is in some way supporting or advocating the extermination of entire ethnic and religious groups. It's kind of hard to play the "only nazis want to kill people" when you have a soviet flag and hammer and sickle in your subreddit. Proof of Soviet / Communist ethic cleansing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Sov... https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3229636/Martin%201998.pdf?sequence=2 https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3229636/Martin%2...
- YesonID 9y ago
  Don't know why this got downvoted. Communism has killed more than Nazi's, so if we're banning Nazi's because they're a potentially violent threat, it follows that communism/marxist subreddits would also be banned.
  - thedaemon 9y ago
    Because Marxist Communism is about everyone being equal.
    - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
      ... and anyone who doesn't agree with Communism's version of that is an evil person who is promoting the exploitation of the downtrodden, and therefore inevitably will be violently opposed. That is, though Marxist Communism talks about everyone being equal, it also talks about violence to those who disagree. And in practice, the violence has shown up more reliably than the equality has.

eroccatlun 9y ago

"Its only violence if its against me, not if its against those I disagree with" - most of the replies to this