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>There hasn't been any evidence of anything other than minor mischief. The son of the candidate openly admitted to meeting with Russian foreign agents in order

>There hasn't been any evidence of anything other than minor mischief. The son of the candidate openly admitted to meeting with Russian foreign agents in order to secure a quid pro quo agreement (and that doesn't even touch on Flynn and Manafort). We have evidence of pen testing on voting infrastructure, we have copious amounts of evidence of psychological operations currently on-going from Russian services via social media. This isn't about clinton, this is about defending the core of our democracy from foreign powers. It's obscene to try and shrug it off with such shallow cynicism.

grandalf 9y ago
> son of the candidate openly admitted to meeting with Russian foreign agents Yet the "dossier" that was paid for via a quid pro quo arrangement is not of concern? IMHO both are very concerning. > pen testing on voting infrastructure Have you heard that an un-patched windows computer connected to an open internet connection will be pwned in minutes? This is only possible because of massive "pen testing" being done on all IP addresses. So of course companies that manufacture voting equipment and have public IP addresses for web or email servers will be "pen tested". Where will that traffic originate from? Probably in one of the many places where there is a lot of cyber fraud. Russia/Ukraine is one of those places. Without very hard, detailed evidence it is not reasonable to conclude that any such efforts were connected to the Russian government. We have not been given any evidence, we've simply been told to believe this highly politicized narrative. I'm not ready to do that until there has been actual evidence. > psychological operations currently on-going from Russian services via social media. So you consider RT publishing stories about the Flint Water Crisis to be highly detrimental to the orderly nature of American society? News orgs are supposed to publish true stories that point out problems that need to be solved. It's sad and reminiscent of highly compliant citizens of a facist regime that anyone can take seriously the idea that stories in RT about Flint MI or about Laquan McDonald are endangering American stability.
- beepboopbeep 9y ago
  >Yet the "dossier" that was paid for via a quid pro quo arrangement is not of concern? IMHO both are very concerning. Paid to an american firm by both the GOP and Dem campaigns. That is not the same as a quid pro quo with the intelligence service of a foreign government that is actively trying to interfere in an election >So you consider RT publishing stories about the Flint Water Crisis to be highly detrimental to the orderly nature of American society? ... That came totally out of no where. I'll let you argue that with your self all you want.
  - grandalf 9y ago
    > That came totally out of no where. You can't throw around concerns about divisiveness or "sowing destablization" without asserting your view on stories that are true and legitimately concerning. I suppose you think those are harmful to keeping everyone happy with their lot in life too?

grandalf 9y ago

> son of the candidate openly admitted to meeting with Russian foreign agents Yet the "dossier" that was paid for via a quid pro quo arrangement is not of concern? IMHO both are very concerning. > pen testing on voting infrastructure Have you heard that an un-patched windows computer connected to an open internet connection will be pwned in minutes? This is only possible because of massive "pen testing" being done on all IP addresses. So of course companies that manufacture voting equipment and have public IP addresses for web or email servers will be "pen tested". Where will that traffic originate from? Probably in one of the many places where there is a lot of cyber fraud. Russia/Ukraine is one of those places. Without very hard, detailed evidence it is not reasonable to conclude that any such efforts were connected to the Russian government. We have not been given any evidence, we've simply been told to believe this highly politicized narrative. I'm not ready to do that until there has been actual evidence. > psychological operations currently on-going from Russian services via social media. So you consider RT publishing stories about the Flint Water Crisis to be highly detrimental to the orderly nature of American society? News orgs are supposed to publish true stories that point out problems that need to be solved. It's sad and reminiscent of highly compliant citizens of a facist regime that anyone can take seriously the idea that stories in RT about Flint MI or about Laquan McDonald are endangering American stability.

beepboopbeep 9y ago
>Yet the "dossier" that was paid for via a quid pro quo arrangement is not of concern? IMHO both are very concerning. Paid to an american firm by both the GOP and Dem campaigns. That is not the same as a quid pro quo with the intelligence service of a foreign government that is actively trying to interfere in an election >So you consider RT publishing stories about the Flint Water Crisis to be highly detrimental to the orderly nature of American society? ... That came totally out of no where. I'll let you argue that with your self all you want.
- grandalf 9y ago
  > That came totally out of no where. You can't throw around concerns about divisiveness or "sowing destablization" without asserting your view on stories that are true and legitimately concerning. I suppose you think those are harmful to keeping everyone happy with their lot in life too?