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So the US administration said a lie which was convenient for them, and the media repeated it. The Russian administration said a lie which was convenient for the

So the US administration said a lie which was convenient for them, and the media repeated it. The Russian administration said a lie which was convenient for them, and the media repeated it. What's the difference exactly? Is the difference that the Russian gov has more influence in Russian media than the US gov has in US media? Why is it that you treat one case as "look at their evil propaganda" and the other as "oh gee practices could be better"? Let me be honest with you. I'm European so I shouldn't really have a stake here. But I look at the world and what I see is that US media is infinitely more influential in Europe than Russian media. Infinitely more influential in Europe than even European media, and that concerns me. So your "oh gee practices could be better but we're the good guys trust me" doesn't fly with me.

dredmorbius 9y ago
Again: The US media have admitted the error and have engaged in considerable soul searching. Can you say the same for RT and Sputnik?
- RasputinsBro 9y ago
  The "American media" did no such thing. One specific outlet made a correction about one specific story. What about Fox News? Did they apologize? > have engaged in considerable soul searching. It is my opinion that absolutely nothing changed. It's still the same people with the same interests. Thanks for the link, I'll read it.
  - nl 9y ago
    One specific outlet made a correction about one specific story. What do you mean? Both the NYTimes and the Washington Post published major editorials saying how they got it wrong. I'm sure other papers followed as well, but they were some of the more notable. And it was hardly one story - it was a whole narrative about how they trusted that the White House was giving them information in good faith, and how they should have paid more attention to signs that faith was misplaced. And yes - that faith was misplaced, and yes they should have paid more attention. It is my opinion that absolutely nothing changed Well, both papers became much more doubtful about any claims from the Bush administration after that. And you may have noticed they were pretty harsh on Obama's claims of how easy health care would be. They also seem to be asking questions about some of the Trump administrations claims - or at least he seems to think they are being very unfair to him.
  - dredmorbius 9y ago
    Multiple outlets. WashPo and NYTimes are the major national papers. PBS News Hour has multiple investigations of coverage. As do policy, media, and general-press magazines. Your representations (in this thread and elsewhere) simply fail to accurately reflect the facts.

dredmorbius 9y ago

Again: The US media have admitted the error and have engaged in considerable soul searching. Can you say the same for RT and Sputnik?

RasputinsBro 9y ago
The "American media" did no such thing. One specific outlet made a correction about one specific story. What about Fox News? Did they apologize? > have engaged in considerable soul searching. It is my opinion that absolutely nothing changed. It's still the same people with the same interests. Thanks for the link, I'll read it.
- nl 9y ago
  One specific outlet made a correction about one specific story. What do you mean? Both the NYTimes and the Washington Post published major editorials saying how they got it wrong. I'm sure other papers followed as well, but they were some of the more notable. And it was hardly one story - it was a whole narrative about how they trusted that the White House was giving them information in good faith, and how they should have paid more attention to signs that faith was misplaced. And yes - that faith was misplaced, and yes they should have paid more attention. It is my opinion that absolutely nothing changed Well, both papers became much more doubtful about any claims from the Bush administration after that. And you may have noticed they were pretty harsh on Obama's claims of how easy health care would be. They also seem to be asking questions about some of the Trump administrations claims - or at least he seems to think they are being very unfair to him.
- dredmorbius 9y ago
  Multiple outlets. WashPo and NYTimes are the major national papers. PBS News Hour has multiple investigations of coverage. As do policy, media, and general-press magazines. Your representations (in this thread and elsewhere) simply fail to accurately reflect the facts.