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> The common theme: technical protocols can be decentralized but the real-world implementation of those protocols end up centralized because physical things lik
by speedplane 9y ago
> The common theme: technical protocols can be decentralized but the real-world implementation of those protocols end up centralized because physical things like cpus, harddrives, network bandwidth, etc cost money.
I agreed with you up until here. Not convinced that centralization is due to the economics of running a computer on a network. It's also a due to reputation and trust.
People use gmail and hotmail, not just because they don't want to pay for the computer, it's because they trust these companies will do it properly and reliably.
Github isn't the best example either. It didn't spring up because of the economics of running a git server. It got big largely because of its social features, and also because it was a pretty trustworthy git repository. I feel far more confident pushing to a git repo than to some physical server somewhere. There's a trust aspect.
I'll skip Bitcoin and got to another mostly decentralized system: paper currency. Exchanging paper currency is largely decentralized, but most people deposit it in a bank, in part due to interest, but largely due to the trust the bank provides.
The common theme to centralized services isn't the cost of computing hardware, but rather raising trust/reliability in the service, outsourcing expertise, and risk mitigation. Big central service providers are good at exactly this.
- jasode 9y ago>Not convinced that centralization is due to the economics of running a computer on a network. It's also a due to reputation and trust. Yes I agree and I've written previously that non-physical costs such as "trust/reputation/skills" have to also be included: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14125730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14125730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10405945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10405945
- dredmorbius 9y agoSeems there's an angle of trust that includes Zipf's law. Given that attention is limited, if there are some n services, any one individual's awareness of the ith service is likely 1/i. And the general population awareness will also fall with 1/i. If trust is a function (among other things) of familiarity, then there's simply limited trust in a universal-service market (that is: no subpopulation-specific grouping of service, e.g., by geography).
- yeukhon 9y agoExactly. This is how society works. One does not go to twenty farms to get grocery. We go to a store or two to get what we need. The source of the food are decentralized, but the platform for selling products are centralized.