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"If I buy you a house and put the title in your name, but I mark some of the doors 'Employees Only', then you're not allowed to open those doors, even though it

"If I buy you a house and put the title in your name, but I mark some of the doors 'Employees Only', then you're not allowed to open those doors, even though it's your house. Because it's really my house, even though I gave it to you to live in." Love it!

raquo 16y ago
Yeah, it's fine for our software but not their music
- angusgr 16y ago
  Is open source music a particularly big phenomenon?
  - deleted 16y ago
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    - angusgr 16y ago
      As far as I know, sheet music is usually licensed under traditional copyright and remixing/sampling is usually licensed under fairly complicated closed licensing terms, for the cases where samples & remixes are cleared legitimately. Creative Commons licensing of sheet music & samples would count, but I don't think that's what the parent comment was alluding to - it was a misunderstanding between the concept of "open sourcing" something and the concept of licensing it from the author under more restrictive traditional copyright terms. Wow, this is a lot less snappy when you have to spell it out.
  - raquo 16y ago
    Open-source is irrelevant here. It's (1) "I own this copy of music/software and can do anything I wish with it" vs (2) "I licensed this copy of music/software from you on the terms we have agreed on, and I will adhere to these terms". Both music and software are usually licensed (2), but people often disrespect music license thinking they are entitled to more rights for some reason.
  - dionysiac 16y ago
    It's getting there. Check out http://ccmixter.org/ http://ccmixter.org/ .
DanielRibeiro 16y ago
This actually reminded me of Apple...
- robak 16y ago
  10/10
- derefr 16y ago
  The difference between phones, and all other products, is that phones don't work unless you're currently in a business relationship with some telecom or another. It's a bit more like selling someone a nuclear reactor—they're beholden to your rules as long as they have no other source of fissile materials.
  - joegaudet 16y ago
    Can't we have one conversation on HN that doesn't turn into an Apple / iPhone conversation... This article was about something totally unrelated.
  - davidw 16y ago
    In 15 minutes, with 15 euros, I could be out the door and have a new 'business relationship' with a different telecom provider. It's not that big a deal: you just pop in a new sim card. Sure, in the US people have all these locked up phones, but that's the price you pay for getting subsidized hardware.
    - car 16y ago
      Not to mention the higher rates, thanks to virtually zero regulation of the telcos here in the US.
      - maximilian 16y ago
        Higher rate my foot. Cell phones in Switzerland and Germany are crazy expensive. It costs people like 0.20 cents to call someone with a phone, and I pay like 0.25 cents or something. When I used to have a phone in Germany, I used to spend upwards of 90 euros a month calling like I was used to in the states, where I basically have as much calling as I need for $50 (including tax and all that sneaky bullshit). Cell phones in europe are a little cheaper if you don't talk much, but if you really want to use it as a primary phone, they are insane expensive. Thats why everybody texts like crazy here, but even texts are expensive.
JeanPierre 16y ago
What about: "I worked hard to deprecate that code that I worked hard to create so I could deprecate some other code that I also worked hard on," Why would you want to work to be features that are superseded and should be avoided?

raquo 16y ago

Yeah, it's fine for our software but not their music

angusgr 16y ago
Is open source music a particularly big phenomenon?
- deleted 16y ago
  [deleted]
  - angusgr 16y ago
    As far as I know, sheet music is usually licensed under traditional copyright and remixing/sampling is usually licensed under fairly complicated closed licensing terms, for the cases where samples & remixes are cleared legitimately. Creative Commons licensing of sheet music & samples would count, but I don't think that's what the parent comment was alluding to - it was a misunderstanding between the concept of "open sourcing" something and the concept of licensing it from the author under more restrictive traditional copyright terms. Wow, this is a lot less snappy when you have to spell it out.
- raquo 16y ago
  Open-source is irrelevant here. It's (1) "I own this copy of music/software and can do anything I wish with it" vs (2) "I licensed this copy of music/software from you on the terms we have agreed on, and I will adhere to these terms". Both music and software are usually licensed (2), but people often disrespect music license thinking they are entitled to more rights for some reason.
- dionysiac 16y ago
  It's getting there. Check out http://ccmixter.org/ http://ccmixter.org/ .

DanielRibeiro 16y ago

This actually reminded me of Apple...

robak 16y ago
10/10
derefr 16y ago
The difference between phones, and all other products, is that phones don't work unless you're currently in a business relationship with some telecom or another. It's a bit more like selling someone a nuclear reactor—they're beholden to your rules as long as they have no other source of fissile materials.
- joegaudet 16y ago
  Can't we have one conversation on HN that doesn't turn into an Apple / iPhone conversation... This article was about something totally unrelated.
- davidw 16y ago
  In 15 minutes, with 15 euros, I could be out the door and have a new 'business relationship' with a different telecom provider. It's not that big a deal: you just pop in a new sim card. Sure, in the US people have all these locked up phones, but that's the price you pay for getting subsidized hardware.
  - car 16y ago
    Not to mention the higher rates, thanks to virtually zero regulation of the telcos here in the US.
    - maximilian 16y ago
      Higher rate my foot. Cell phones in Switzerland and Germany are crazy expensive. It costs people like 0.20 cents to call someone with a phone, and I pay like 0.25 cents or something. When I used to have a phone in Germany, I used to spend upwards of 90 euros a month calling like I was used to in the states, where I basically have as much calling as I need for $50 (including tax and all that sneaky bullshit). Cell phones in europe are a little cheaper if you don't talk much, but if you really want to use it as a primary phone, they are insane expensive. Thats why everybody texts like crazy here, but even texts are expensive.

JeanPierre 16y ago

What about: "I worked hard to deprecate that code that I worked hard to create so I could deprecate some other code that I also worked hard on," Why would you want to work to be features that are superseded and should be avoided?