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In a perfect world, no one's feelings get hurt in love, and there is no war. We do not live in that world, and as mere mortals we are incapable of creating such
by zaroth 9y ago
In a perfect world, no one's feelings get hurt in love, and there is no war. We do not live in that world, and as mere mortals we are incapable of creating such a utopia.
It's a strawman that "your first romantic move with someone shouldn't be a grope or an offer to get naked." The reality is that ham-fisted proposals and hurtful rejection are rampant 'out there on the dance floor' and the purpose of sexual harassment policy is not, in fact, a idealized manual on how to behave in love and romance, but rules which apply exclusively in the workplace in order to ensure equality in the workplace.
If you're talking about sexual harassment outside of the workplace, then you're Doing It Wrong. If you're conflating poorly executed romantic endeavor with what is actually assault, that's even worse.
Please understand I'm engaging in the debate not to defend some asshole who I don't know and couldn't care two shits about, but I think there's a deeper meaning & understanding to be had here...
It seems to me, only from what little I've read about the man, that Scoble quite clearly is a jerk and an ass, and he owes quite a few people quite a few apologies. That much I most certainly am not debating!
I feel like we're on the cusp of a great wave of progress in the area. But I think if mere jerks and assholes are the new target, the inevitable backlash could set the whole movement back a decade.
- slg 9y agoI was not referring to sexual harassment in the legal sense. I was referring to it in the literal sense of harassment of a sexual nature. For example cat calling a woman on the street might be legal, but that is still literally sexual harassment and shouldn't be acceptable. If you use empathy as your guideline for your own personal behavior, the actual code of conduct for your employer or whatever professional environment you are in is irrelevant because you will already be abiding by a higher standard.
- zaroth 9y agoThis is what entirely missing the point of sexual harassment policy looks like. Sexual harassment policy is a workplace equalizer. It's literally not about men acting like gentleman or having a higher standard. If you're talking about harassment in general, umm... people are obnoxious to each other constantly and perpetually. Kumbaya let's make it all better? I don't think so!
- slg 9y agoAgree to disagree then. I think this is a symptom of a larger issue and I think it is a disservice to only try to remedy the symptom rather than looking for larger change.