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I'd share your frustrating with mining companies, but is "yahoos from the city" a bit unfair? Your country has brilliant appreciation of the outdoors, including

by prawn 9y ago

I'd share your frustrating with mining companies, but is "yahoos from the city" a bit unfair? Your country has brilliant appreciation of the outdoors, including city-dwellers who travel out on weekends or holidays. Signage that informs and guides them rather than bars them might help. I imagine 99% of people just want to pass through carefully rather than dump trash or graffiti anything.

jeffdavis 9y ago
Guidance is really the job of the parks services. The problems come when the burdens get thrust upon the landowners.
- prawn 9y ago
  Elsewhere in these comments are people saying that landowners will remove (public) signage(!), which might impact what the parks people can do? Maybe a well-publicised term for a private easement that people recognise is treated in a particular way? I like that in the States, National Park means something, BLM means something, etc. Our designations in Australia don't seem as clear. We have Crown land, but I have no idea where to find out about it. Private easement guides would be: You are a guest here on private land. Don't stray from the road, leave gates as you found them, livestock has right of way, no camping, etc. Surely there's a balance in making reasonable land access available to people.
  - jeffdavis 9y ago
    I agree as long as the rules are enforced and landowners aren't forced to deal with the consequences of people that break them. Really this is called "sharing" and it's sad that it's causing so many problems.
jandrewrogers 9y ago
Yes, "yahoos from the city" is a bit unfair. :-) I was living in the SF Bay Area at the time and most of the out-of-town traffic through the area of that property was also from the Bay Area. We made a point of getting to know the local ranchers early on and I had lived in the rural West as a kid, so I had a vague idea of the basic rules. More often than not, it wasn't that people were trying to behave badly, they were just careless and exercised poor judgement. A recurring annoyance was someone in the Bay Area buying an SUV and deciding to take it off-roading deep into the wilderness with no prior experience and being completely unprepared. In addition to frequently damaging their vehicle beyond drivability or getting it hopelessly stuck far out of mobile phone range, they would tear up the roads and land joyriding, leave gates open, run into the cattle that live in the wilderness, etc. I probably personally rescued people a dozen times who had no business being out there in those vehicles (an SUV off the new car lot is not equipped for that environment), with that lack of preparation, with that little experience. Not malicious most times, just ignorant and engaging in poor behavior without understanding that they shouldn't be doing those things.

by prawn 9y ago

jeffdavis 9y ago

Guidance is really the job of the parks services. The problems come when the burdens get thrust upon the landowners.

prawn 9y ago
Elsewhere in these comments are people saying that landowners will remove (public) signage(!), which might impact what the parks people can do? Maybe a well-publicised term for a private easement that people recognise is treated in a particular way? I like that in the States, National Park means something, BLM means something, etc. Our designations in Australia don't seem as clear. We have Crown land, but I have no idea where to find out about it. Private easement guides would be: You are a guest here on private land. Don't stray from the road, leave gates as you found them, livestock has right of way, no camping, etc. Surely there's a balance in making reasonable land access available to people.
- jeffdavis 9y ago
  I agree as long as the rules are enforced and landowners aren't forced to deal with the consequences of people that break them. Really this is called "sharing" and it's sad that it's causing so many problems.

jandrewrogers 9y ago

Yes, "yahoos from the city" is a bit unfair. :-) I was living in the SF Bay Area at the time and most of the out-of-town traffic through the area of that property was also from the Bay Area. We made a point of getting to know the local ranchers early on and I had lived in the rural West as a kid, so I had a vague idea of the basic rules. More often than not, it wasn't that people were trying to behave badly, they were just careless and exercised poor judgement. A recurring annoyance was someone in the Bay Area buying an SUV and deciding to take it off-roading deep into the wilderness with no prior experience and being completely unprepared. In addition to frequently damaging their vehicle beyond drivability or getting it hopelessly stuck far out of mobile phone range, they would tear up the roads and land joyriding, leave gates open, run into the cattle that live in the wilderness, etc. I probably personally rescued people a dozen times who had no business being out there in those vehicles (an SUV off the new car lot is not equipped for that environment), with that lack of preparation, with that little experience. Not malicious most times, just ignorant and engaging in poor behavior without understanding that they shouldn't be doing those things.