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Submarine aircraft carrier

8 points by monort 9y ago

adenozin 9y ago
someome is reading /r/evilbuildings :D
mozumder 9y ago
Why aren't all military ships submarines? Why do they have to float?
- ghrifter 9y ago
  Poes Law. I hope this is a joke.
- synicalx 9y ago
  At first it makes a lot of sense, but there's a bunch of reasons why surface vessels are needed: 1. Cost - submarines are a PITA and expensive to build and maintain compared to a 'regular' ship. Also torpedoes are very expensive, about 2.5x the cost of a Tomahawk which is often a perfectly adequate solution in a lot of cases. 2. Radar - No use underwater unfortunately. 3. Planes - If you want to launch lots very quickly, you need to be on the surface. Likewise if you want to shoot one down, it's much easier if you're on the surface. 4. Missile defense - ties in with Radar I guess, but if you want to intercept a missile it's much easier to do from the surface. 5. Amphibious assault/landing - much easier to sling out some landing craft and amphibious vehicles on the surface than it is underwater. It's also much easier to transport large numbers of them. 6. Size and weight - I could waffle on for paragraphs about this but tl;dr size/weight = need more power. Generating power is very hard and/or expensive to do quietly, so it makes sense to try and keep subs no bigger than they need to be. 7. Show of force - A deterrent will only deter someone if they know it's there, and you're not supposed to know where a submarine is. Having said that, submarines are incredibly useful machines within their own domain - sneaking around and either doing or supporting clandestine operations, and in some cases acting as a very credible nuclear deterrent.
- Daviey 9y ago
  By the end of WW1, the entire German fleet (74 ships) was Sub-Marine.. that is Under-Water. Remarkable story, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_German_fleet_in_Scapa_Flow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_German_fleet_... The unsalvaged ones are still popular dive sites.
ghrifter 9y ago
Interesting - an airplane - submarine was developed in 1964 - http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/6559.htm http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/65...
Daviey 9y ago
It is possible to still visit the HMS M2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_M2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_M2 But.. you need to be an experienced diver as it lays at 35 meters... http://www.divernet.com/wreck-tours/p301708-wreck-tour:-5the-m2.html http://www.divernet.com/wreck-tours/p301708-wreck-tour:-5the...

8 points by monort 9y ago

adenozin 9y ago

someome is reading /r/evilbuildings :D

mozumder 9y ago

Why aren't all military ships submarines? Why do they have to float?

ghrifter 9y ago
Poes Law. I hope this is a joke.
synicalx 9y ago
At first it makes a lot of sense, but there's a bunch of reasons why surface vessels are needed: 1. Cost - submarines are a PITA and expensive to build and maintain compared to a 'regular' ship. Also torpedoes are very expensive, about 2.5x the cost of a Tomahawk which is often a perfectly adequate solution in a lot of cases. 2. Radar - No use underwater unfortunately. 3. Planes - If you want to launch lots very quickly, you need to be on the surface. Likewise if you want to shoot one down, it's much easier if you're on the surface. 4. Missile defense - ties in with Radar I guess, but if you want to intercept a missile it's much easier to do from the surface. 5. Amphibious assault/landing - much easier to sling out some landing craft and amphibious vehicles on the surface than it is underwater. It's also much easier to transport large numbers of them. 6. Size and weight - I could waffle on for paragraphs about this but tl;dr size/weight = need more power. Generating power is very hard and/or expensive to do quietly, so it makes sense to try and keep subs no bigger than they need to be. 7. Show of force - A deterrent will only deter someone if they know it's there, and you're not supposed to know where a submarine is. Having said that, submarines are incredibly useful machines within their own domain - sneaking around and either doing or supporting clandestine operations, and in some cases acting as a very credible nuclear deterrent.
Daviey 9y ago
By the end of WW1, the entire German fleet (74 ships) was Sub-Marine.. that is Under-Water. Remarkable story, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_German_fleet_in_Scapa_Flow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_German_fleet_... The unsalvaged ones are still popular dive sites.

ghrifter 9y ago

Interesting - an airplane - submarine was developed in 1964 - http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/6559.htm http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/65...

Daviey 9y ago

It is possible to still visit the HMS M2, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_M2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_M2 But.. you need to be an experienced diver as it lays at 35 meters... http://www.divernet.com/wreck-tours/p301708-wreck-tour:-5the-m2.html http://www.divernet.com/wreck-tours/p301708-wreck-tour:-5the...