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i disagree. you’re welcome to explain how your statement does not amount to keeping men hooked on porn so they don’t rape (because that’s the alternative).

Mz 9y ago
No one is required to be hooked on porn. But if you look at the big picture, more porn results in less rape, sexual assault and even child sex abuse. It does come with the downside that some people get hooked on it. I am wholly supportive of helping people break their porn addiction. I am not supportive of trying to get rid of all porn everywhere as the means to protect a few people from themselves. You are horribly miscontruing my remarks. Doubling down like this makes it look intentional.
- taohansen 9y ago
  that is your opinion. why would i purposely misconstrue your comment? i wish your answer now had been your original answer. i urge you not to assume malicious intent (that would be malicious) and consider that your original comment might have been saved from scrutiny given expansion.
  - Mz 9y ago
    I am not assuming malicious intent. But you continue to use tactics that look openly hostile, not like an attempt to communicate in good faith. Also, all of the rebuttals here seem to assume that the people who wind up addicted to porn are innocent victims, wholly unrelated to the people who would otherwise commit sex crimes. I see no reason to make such an assumption. I also see no reason to believe that life as a person with a porn addiction is vastly worse than life as a person who can't constrain themselves from committing sex crimes. I have reason to believe doing things like that comes with much more personal downside, even if you posit that they don't feel guilty about it.
lhnz 9y ago
You are definitely misconstruing her comment here. The fact that porn addiction may lessen the number of men that commit rape could be empirically true without any implication that all men are rapists (etc.)
timthelion 9y ago
there is a difference between keeping men hooked on porn and allowing them to watch it. It's like the whole thing with Catholic priests being pedophiles. Non-Catholic priests aren't forced to marry, and yet they are far less likely to become pedophiles.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > It's like the whole thing with Catholic priests being pedophiles. Non-Catholic priests aren't forced to marry, and yet they are far less likely to become pedophiles. While in many respects the response of the Catholic heirarchy to sexual abuse of minors by priests was beyond appalling and inexcusable, the incidence of such abuse (or accusations of such abuse) from every comparison I've seen was similar to other religions groups, schools, and youth organizations like scouting.
  - timthelion 9y ago
    > from every comparison I've seen was similar to other religions groups, schools, and youth organizations like scouting. I have just spent a while looking at the statistics. I have found a huge number of incomparable, incomplete, and incorrectly analyzed statistics, and many strong claims that catholic priests are no more likely to abuse. However, I have found nothing remotely objective pointing in either direction. Have you found any actually objective studies which show anything meaningful as to the question of whether priests are more, less, or equally likely to abuse?
    - Mz 9y ago
      It's fine if you two want to dig into the stats, but I don't think that element is really essential to the point that "Similarly, not all unmarried people are child molesters, contrary to the impression you might have from all the pedophile Catholic priests in the news." FWIW and similar provisos.
      - timthelion 9y ago
        "Not all smokers have lung cancer. Therefore, smoking does not cause lung cancer."

Mz 9y ago

No one is required to be hooked on porn. But if you look at the big picture, more porn results in less rape, sexual assault and even child sex abuse. It does come with the downside that some people get hooked on it. I am wholly supportive of helping people break their porn addiction. I am not supportive of trying to get rid of all porn everywhere as the means to protect a few people from themselves. You are horribly miscontruing my remarks. Doubling down like this makes it look intentional.

taohansen 9y ago
that is your opinion. why would i purposely misconstrue your comment? i wish your answer now had been your original answer. i urge you not to assume malicious intent (that would be malicious) and consider that your original comment might have been saved from scrutiny given expansion.
- Mz 9y ago
  I am not assuming malicious intent. But you continue to use tactics that look openly hostile, not like an attempt to communicate in good faith. Also, all of the rebuttals here seem to assume that the people who wind up addicted to porn are innocent victims, wholly unrelated to the people who would otherwise commit sex crimes. I see no reason to make such an assumption. I also see no reason to believe that life as a person with a porn addiction is vastly worse than life as a person who can't constrain themselves from committing sex crimes. I have reason to believe doing things like that comes with much more personal downside, even if you posit that they don't feel guilty about it.

lhnz 9y ago

You are definitely misconstruing her comment here. The fact that porn addiction may lessen the number of men that commit rape could be empirically true without any implication that all men are rapists (etc.)

timthelion 9y ago

there is a difference between keeping men hooked on porn and allowing them to watch it. It's like the whole thing with Catholic priests being pedophiles. Non-Catholic priests aren't forced to marry, and yet they are far less likely to become pedophiles.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> It's like the whole thing with Catholic priests being pedophiles. Non-Catholic priests aren't forced to marry, and yet they are far less likely to become pedophiles. While in many respects the response of the Catholic heirarchy to sexual abuse of minors by priests was beyond appalling and inexcusable, the incidence of such abuse (or accusations of such abuse) from every comparison I've seen was similar to other religions groups, schools, and youth organizations like scouting.
- timthelion 9y ago
  > from every comparison I've seen was similar to other religions groups, schools, and youth organizations like scouting. I have just spent a while looking at the statistics. I have found a huge number of incomparable, incomplete, and incorrectly analyzed statistics, and many strong claims that catholic priests are no more likely to abuse. However, I have found nothing remotely objective pointing in either direction. Have you found any actually objective studies which show anything meaningful as to the question of whether priests are more, less, or equally likely to abuse?
  - Mz 9y ago
    It's fine if you two want to dig into the stats, but I don't think that element is really essential to the point that "Similarly, not all unmarried people are child molesters, contrary to the impression you might have from all the pedophile Catholic priests in the news." FWIW and similar provisos.
    - timthelion 9y ago
      "Not all smokers have lung cancer. Therefore, smoking does not cause lung cancer."