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He realizes the hysteria around policing online speech and content will be short-lived. He is trying to keep it neutral and not warp it to consist of only the t

He realizes the hysteria around policing online speech and content will be short-lived. He is trying to keep it neutral and not warp it to consist of only the things some people would like to see. Its a strong strategy in the long run.

diogenescynic 9y ago
Allowing Russian bots to spread propaganda to meddle in our elections is hardly being neutral. That’s being an enabler.
- chronicy292 9y ago
  And what about Twitter allowing the US intelligence agencies access to account information about potential overseas national security interests? But of course, Trump is president so we need to get him out of office. Right? News flash: Trump is your president and will continue to be for years to come.
- craftyguy 9y ago
  If only people (twitter users) were smart enough to question sources of information rather than taking them at face value..
untog 9y ago
Are there any statements anywhere suggesting he thinks this, or are we save to assume you are projecting your own opinions onto him?
- zaptheimpaler 9y ago
  You are free to assume as you wish. I draw my assumptions from his actions.
pron 9y ago
Only someone who hasn't been harassed could think this is hysteria. Interaction in communities of strangers (and even in face-to-face societies, like pre-industrial ones) has always required policing.
- zaptheimpaler 9y ago
  Its an online forum. Anyone being harassed is free to ignore it or block/mute their harassers. There is no magic technology that can automatically detect and stop harassment. Its a social problem and must be dealt with as such - e.g by shunning trolls online. In that light I don't understand what people want Twitter to do about it. Blaming Twitter is not a productive response given their limited ability to stop it, just as blaming HN would not be a productive response to being flamed in a comment on HN.
  - pron 9y ago
    > Anyone being harassed is free to ignore it or block/mute their harassers. First of all, it's not so easy to block harassers when there are thousands. Seconds, victims of real-life harassment are also "free" to disconnect their phones and never leave the house. But doing so is letting the harassers win, and society has decided that harassment is unacceptable, and the harassers should be stopped. > There is no magic technology that can automatically detect and stop harassment. There is no magic technology that can automatically detect and stop crime, either, but that hasn't stopped every society in the world from establishing some sort of a justice system. > Its a social problem and must be dealt with as such - e.g by shunning trolls online. Yes, by an enforcement mechanism. In a strangers society, let alone one when people can have multiple identities, social sanctions don't work. > In that light I don't understand what people want Twitter to do about it. The same as anyone responsible over a public or semi-public space is expected to do -- establish an enforcement force. Just as office buildings, companies, and universities have security and often even a reporting and judgment apparatuses. > just as blaming HN would not be a productive response to being flamed in a comment on HN. If you think harassment on Twitter is on the same scale and of the same kind as unkind comments on HN, or that Twitter moderation is anywhere as effective as on HN, then you're unfamiliar with the problem. A mere hint of a threat of violence, or even strong verbal abuse gets you immediately banned from HN.
    - zaptheimpaler 9y ago
      I don't particularly have a problem with most of your philosophical positions. But this: >The same as anyone responsible over a public or semi-public space is expected to do -- establish an enforcement force Its simply unrealistic... there are roughly 350,000 tweets per MINUTE on twitter. It would take a massive workforce, working around the clock to get even close to policing all tweets or even all reported tweets. Its easier to police physical spaces/companies/universities because there is a LOT less to police. And there are no real identities, so even after banning an account the offender may just come back. As I said above, in that light I don't think Twitter can do a whole lot about it.

diogenescynic 9y ago

Allowing Russian bots to spread propaganda to meddle in our elections is hardly being neutral. That’s being an enabler.

chronicy292 9y ago
And what about Twitter allowing the US intelligence agencies access to account information about potential overseas national security interests? But of course, Trump is president so we need to get him out of office. Right? News flash: Trump is your president and will continue to be for years to come.
craftyguy 9y ago
If only people (twitter users) were smart enough to question sources of information rather than taking them at face value..

untog 9y ago

Are there any statements anywhere suggesting he thinks this, or are we save to assume you are projecting your own opinions onto him?

zaptheimpaler 9y ago
You are free to assume as you wish. I draw my assumptions from his actions.

pron 9y ago

Only someone who hasn't been harassed could think this is hysteria. Interaction in communities of strangers (and even in face-to-face societies, like pre-industrial ones) has always required policing.

zaptheimpaler 9y ago
Its an online forum. Anyone being harassed is free to ignore it or block/mute their harassers. There is no magic technology that can automatically detect and stop harassment. Its a social problem and must be dealt with as such - e.g by shunning trolls online. In that light I don't understand what people want Twitter to do about it. Blaming Twitter is not a productive response given their limited ability to stop it, just as blaming HN would not be a productive response to being flamed in a comment on HN.
- pron 9y ago
  > Anyone being harassed is free to ignore it or block/mute their harassers. First of all, it's not so easy to block harassers when there are thousands. Seconds, victims of real-life harassment are also "free" to disconnect their phones and never leave the house. But doing so is letting the harassers win, and society has decided that harassment is unacceptable, and the harassers should be stopped. > There is no magic technology that can automatically detect and stop harassment. There is no magic technology that can automatically detect and stop crime, either, but that hasn't stopped every society in the world from establishing some sort of a justice system. > Its a social problem and must be dealt with as such - e.g by shunning trolls online. Yes, by an enforcement mechanism. In a strangers society, let alone one when people can have multiple identities, social sanctions don't work. > In that light I don't understand what people want Twitter to do about it. The same as anyone responsible over a public or semi-public space is expected to do -- establish an enforcement force. Just as office buildings, companies, and universities have security and often even a reporting and judgment apparatuses. > just as blaming HN would not be a productive response to being flamed in a comment on HN. If you think harassment on Twitter is on the same scale and of the same kind as unkind comments on HN, or that Twitter moderation is anywhere as effective as on HN, then you're unfamiliar with the problem. A mere hint of a threat of violence, or even strong verbal abuse gets you immediately banned from HN.
  - zaptheimpaler 9y ago
    I don't particularly have a problem with most of your philosophical positions. But this: >The same as anyone responsible over a public or semi-public space is expected to do -- establish an enforcement force Its simply unrealistic... there are roughly 350,000 tweets per MINUTE on twitter. It would take a massive workforce, working around the clock to get even close to policing all tweets or even all reported tweets. Its easier to police physical spaces/companies/universities because there is a LOT less to police. And there are no real identities, so even after banning an account the offender may just come back. As I said above, in that light I don't think Twitter can do a whole lot about it.