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Is everything that comes out of a factory pollution? Many environmentalists would say so. Even the intended products are pollution. Pure H2O steam going up into

Is everything that comes out of a factory pollution? Many environmentalists would say so. Even the intended products are pollution. Pure H2O steam going up into the air. This is polluting the atmosphere with water. If there was too much steam going into the atmosphere, this would also be a problem, like CO2. Now I agree that too much C02 in the atmosphere is bad, but some can be emitted with no problem. How much is too much and who get to emit? This is the hard part. I think many people join the "climate change denial" crowd too push back against the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" environmentalist crowd.

woodandsteel 9y ago
>Is everything that comes out of a factory pollution? Many environmentalists would say so. Even the intended products are pollution. Pure H2O steam going up into the air. No, pollution means something going into the environment that causes harm, and in the amounts being emitted. That is how every environmentalist I have ever heard of defines it. But I bet you already knew that. You know, when someone uses bad arguments, I tend to assume it is because they lack good ones, and they lack good ones because the idea they are arguing for is mistaken.
woodandsteel 9y ago
>I think many people join the "climate change denial" crowd too push back against the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" environmentalist crowd. No, not one in a thousand environmentalists believes that. You know, flat-out lies may work with the sort of people you identify with, but not people who know the truth.
- njarboe 9y ago
  "people you identify with" Not sure where you got that idea when I said CO2 is a problem. I guess this topic is too charged with emotion to discus reasonably.
  - woodandsteel 9y ago
    Ok, you're right, I shouldn't have said that you identify with that crowd. But I am still saying that the claim that any significant proportion of environmentalists think the human race is evil and should all be killed is simply false. Do you want to defend it?
    - njarboe 9y ago
      I should stop but: "I think many people join the "climate change denial" crowd too push back against the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" environmentalist crowd." Not completely obvious from this statement, but what I meant to convey was that the people who are committed and serious about "climate change denial" are people who believe many/most environmentalists are in the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" crowd. Not really sure about that, as I don't know any committed deniers well enough to have an honest conversation, but it doesn't seem unlikely.
      - woodandsteel 9y ago
        Ok, so we are in agreement on that. Hey, I started out being strongly critical, and now we agree. Rational discourse does work, at least some of the time.
        njarboe 9y ago
        Thanks, a rarity on the internet these days.

woodandsteel 9y ago

>Is everything that comes out of a factory pollution? Many environmentalists would say so. Even the intended products are pollution. Pure H2O steam going up into the air. No, pollution means something going into the environment that causes harm, and in the amounts being emitted. That is how every environmentalist I have ever heard of defines it. But I bet you already knew that. You know, when someone uses bad arguments, I tend to assume it is because they lack good ones, and they lack good ones because the idea they are arguing for is mistaken.

woodandsteel 9y ago

>I think many people join the "climate change denial" crowd too push back against the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" environmentalist crowd. No, not one in a thousand environmentalists believes that. You know, flat-out lies may work with the sort of people you identify with, but not people who know the truth.

njarboe 9y ago
"people you identify with" Not sure where you got that idea when I said CO2 is a problem. I guess this topic is too charged with emotion to discus reasonably.
- woodandsteel 9y ago
  Ok, you're right, I shouldn't have said that you identify with that crowd. But I am still saying that the claim that any significant proportion of environmentalists think the human race is evil and should all be killed is simply false. Do you want to defend it?
  - njarboe 9y ago
    I should stop but: "I think many people join the "climate change denial" crowd too push back against the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" environmentalist crowd." Not completely obvious from this statement, but what I meant to convey was that the people who are committed and serious about "climate change denial" are people who believe many/most environmentalists are in the "humans are evil and should go extinct, the quicker the better" crowd. Not really sure about that, as I don't know any committed deniers well enough to have an honest conversation, but it doesn't seem unlikely.
    - woodandsteel 9y ago
      Ok, so we are in agreement on that. Hey, I started out being strongly critical, and now we agree. Rational discourse does work, at least some of the time.
      - njarboe 9y ago
        Thanks, a rarity on the internet these days.