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Eh. I think everyone agrees power imbalance is a crucial part of capital letters Sexual Harassment. We know people can be assholes to each other at any point, b

Eh. I think everyone agrees power imbalance is a crucial part of capital letters Sexual Harassment. We know people can be assholes to each other at any point, but we pay particular attention to people in positions of power over others. Setting aside power imbalances of physical nature (i.e. alone in an elevator), I think he's mostly accurate? Unwelcome advances in a situation where there is little possibility of harm to the woman should she reject you are just unwelcome advances. Maybe creepy, maybe rude, maybe disgusting. But they're not abuse, and they're not sexual harassment. I think that's clearly the goalpost he's comparing his behaviour to.

DanBC 9y ago
> I think everyone agrees power imbalance is a crucial part of capital letters Sexual Harassment. No. here's the EU definition: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1976L0207:20021005:EN:PDF http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLE... > harassment: where an unwanted conduct related to the sex of a person occurs with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, and of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment, > sexual harassment: where any form of unwanted verbal, non-verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature occurs, with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, in particular when creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. Here's the English law: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26 > 1)A person (A) harasses another (B) if— > (a)A engages in unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic, and > (b)the conduct has the purpose or effect of— > (i)violating B's dignity, or > (ii)creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for B. > (2)A also harasses B if— > (a)A engages in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature, and > (b)the conduct has the purpose or effect referred to in subsection (1)(b) There's nothing in there about power imbalance.
emodendroket 9y ago
From other posts in this thread I gather he's accused, among other things, of groping women without their consent, which, if true, goes a bit beyond making an "unwelcome advance," in my opinion. Whether it's true I don't claim to know, but responding to it by talking about how it technically does not constitute sexual harassment seems ill advised either way.

DanBC 9y ago

> I think everyone agrees power imbalance is a crucial part of capital letters Sexual Harassment. No. here's the EU definition: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1976L0207:20021005:EN:PDF http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLE... > harassment: where an unwanted conduct related to the sex of a person occurs with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, and of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment, > sexual harassment: where any form of unwanted verbal, non-verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature occurs, with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, in particular when creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. Here's the English law: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26 > 1)A person (A) harasses another (B) if— > (a)A engages in unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic, and > (b)the conduct has the purpose or effect of— > (i)violating B's dignity, or > (ii)creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for B. > (2)A also harasses B if— > (a)A engages in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature, and > (b)the conduct has the purpose or effect referred to in subsection (1)(b) There's nothing in there about power imbalance.

emodendroket 9y ago

From other posts in this thread I gather he's accused, among other things, of groping women without their consent, which, if true, goes a bit beyond making an "unwelcome advance," in my opinion. Whether it's true I don't claim to know, but responding to it by talking about how it technically does not constitute sexual harassment seems ill advised either way.