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That's just wrong. You could (or still can?) buy mac os installation dvds in an apple shop for 30 bucks (iirc my sister bought one a few years ago) also the "up

That's just wrong. You could (or still can?) buy mac os installation dvds in an apple shop for 30 bucks (iirc my sister bought one a few years ago) also the "upgrade" to sierra is free without any limitation on how many machines you can legally install it on so you can create an installation medium (you can install it in qemu or probably even use coreboot with a modified tianocore to actually install it). Oh and you can download the source for the kernel (I'm not sure which versiin this really mirrors and I'm not a mac guy so I don't care) here https://opensource.apple.com/ https://opensource.apple.com/ Just because you can't easily buy a copy of it at best buy and install it without some hacking on any random computer doesn't mean that you can take the price of the cheapest mac _hardware_ say that's the price of the os and call it a day. Also your comment did completly miss the point of the parent comment.

johncolanduoni 9y ago
> also the "upgrade" to sierra is free without any limitation on how many machines you can legally install it so you can create an installation medium (you can install it in qemu or probably even use coreboot with a modified tianocore to actually install it) There may not be a limit to how many machines you can legally install it on (I'm actually not sure), but the license is very clear as to what machines you can install it on (i.e. only Apple hardware). Though in reality it's been quite some time since Apple tried to enforce that provision very hard, and never on individual users installing it themselves on usual PC hardware. > Oh and you can download the source for the kernel (I'm not sure which versiin this really mirrors and I'm not a mac guy so I don't care) here https://opensource.apple.com/ https://opensource.apple.com/ The kernels are usually pretty up to date, but the public code is an even smaller portion of the OS than the Linux kernel is (many key drivers are not open source, and forget anything approaching the level of the UI).
- BlackLotus89 9y ago
  I just went into my study and got my original snow leopard dvd (the one my sister bought) and I can't find the part that states this. > but the license is very clear as to what machines you can install it on (i.e. only Apple hardware) Would be nice to get a reference on that. But ignoring this my point still stands that pjmlps comment was more a misplaced snarky remark against apple that missed the point. But hey I neither use Mac OS nor Windows (only in the circumstanced when I'm forced to offer support) so I don't really care :) But a PS: Most hardware you buy comes with a Windows license so people who don't want to buy Windows can probably still use this.
  - vetinari 9y ago
    It's in the EULA: > 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. > A. Preinstalled and Single-Copy Apple Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you obtained the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, through an automatic download or under a volume license, maintenance or other written agreement from Apple, you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time. For example, these single-copy license terms apply to you if you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware. There's also section 2B(iii), that is for copies obtained via Apple Store, that allows you to run virtual machines: > iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using macOS Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. Emphasis mine.
unkown-unknowns 9y ago
I bought an install disc for Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6) back when that was the current version. Seems they have it in the offical online store still actually: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-sno... However when I inquired at an authorized store about a later version after it came out they said that it was not available on disc and you had to buy it via the Mac App Store which means you need to have OS X in the first place but I'm not sure if they were talking about their own store or in general. I'm on mobile right now so not going to bother finding out what other versions can be bought on disc media from the official online store but if someone else would like to chime in with more links that'd be welcome.
pjmlp 9y ago
Legally I can only use Apple hardware to run macOS. So anyone that cares about following the law needs to buy an Apple computer to run those DVDs you mention. Hackintoshes have no place in compliant businesses.

johncolanduoni 9y ago

> also the "upgrade" to sierra is free without any limitation on how many machines you can legally install it so you can create an installation medium (you can install it in qemu or probably even use coreboot with a modified tianocore to actually install it) There may not be a limit to how many machines you can legally install it on (I'm actually not sure), but the license is very clear as to what machines you can install it on (i.e. only Apple hardware). Though in reality it's been quite some time since Apple tried to enforce that provision very hard, and never on individual users installing it themselves on usual PC hardware. > Oh and you can download the source for the kernel (I'm not sure which versiin this really mirrors and I'm not a mac guy so I don't care) here https://opensource.apple.com/ https://opensource.apple.com/ The kernels are usually pretty up to date, but the public code is an even smaller portion of the OS than the Linux kernel is (many key drivers are not open source, and forget anything approaching the level of the UI).

BlackLotus89 9y ago
I just went into my study and got my original snow leopard dvd (the one my sister bought) and I can't find the part that states this. > but the license is very clear as to what machines you can install it on (i.e. only Apple hardware) Would be nice to get a reference on that. But ignoring this my point still stands that pjmlps comment was more a misplaced snarky remark against apple that missed the point. But hey I neither use Mac OS nor Windows (only in the circumstanced when I'm forced to offer support) so I don't really care :) But a PS: Most hardware you buy comes with a Windows license so people who don't want to buy Windows can probably still use this.
- vetinari 9y ago
  It's in the EULA: > 2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. > A. Preinstalled and Single-Copy Apple Software License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you obtained the Apple Software from the Mac App Store, through an automatic download or under a volume license, maintenance or other written agreement from Apple, you are granted a limited, non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time. For example, these single-copy license terms apply to you if you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware. There's also section 2B(iii), that is for copies obtained via Apple Store, that allows you to run virtual machines: > iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using macOS Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. Emphasis mine.

unkown-unknowns 9y ago

I bought an install disc for Snow Leopard (OS X 10.6) back when that was the current version. Seems they have it in the offical online store still actually: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-sno... However when I inquired at an authorized store about a later version after it came out they said that it was not available on disc and you had to buy it via the Mac App Store which means you need to have OS X in the first place but I'm not sure if they were talking about their own store or in general. I'm on mobile right now so not going to bother finding out what other versions can be bought on disc media from the official online store but if someone else would like to chime in with more links that'd be welcome.

pjmlp 9y ago

Legally I can only use Apple hardware to run macOS. So anyone that cares about following the law needs to buy an Apple computer to run those DVDs you mention. Hackintoshes have no place in compliant businesses.